[nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream

[David Andrews]

Ray,  You are attributing emotions to Amazon -- they are a publicly 
owned corporation, not a person.  I really doubt they hate blind 
persons.  The corporation can't and most of the employees are 
unaware.  You say they don't listen -- really what you mean is that 
they are not doing what you want, in the way you want.  I think they 
have heard us -- they just have a different set of priorities.

Dave

At 01:53 PM 2/3/2013, you wrote:
>Chris, I fail to understand how anyone can say that amazon doesn't 
>hate us:  I nean, after all, look how long they've refused to listen 
>to us woen we've been trying to talk to them about making the Kendal 
>more accessible to us. It seems to me that when you try to talk to 
>someone and they just won't listen to you, well, what would you come 
>to think after a while?
>    If they don't start listening to us pretty quickly, I cannot 
> help but suspect that, whether we like it or not, we may well have 
> to sui Amazon.  I'm a little surprised that we haven't done that already.
>
>This message was written using the Braille Touch app on my Iphone.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Chris Westbrook <westbchris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ray, "picking a fight" is a very inflammable term that I don't 
> think applies here.  Even in the instance of the kindle, I don't 
> think amazon is excluding blind people because they hate us, I 
> think they have made a business decision which they erroneously 
> feel is in their best interest to not in their view waste extra 
> resources on providing accessibility.  It is our job to show them 
> that legally and otherwise they are mistaken.
> > On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Dave, in large  part, I cannot and do not quarrel with what you 
> say here.  Nevertheless, it does seem to me that, with Amazon not 
> being willing to listen to the NFB when we ask for accessibility to 
> the dKendal and better access to other stuff from Amazon, well, 
> seems to me they are looking for a fight.  Yes, audible.com and 
> Amazon are linked so far as password access may be concerned, but, 
> it's my belief that Audible still retains independent control over 
> that which was once theirs.  I think that, until we receive hard 
> evidence that Amazon is telling Audible not to be at all blind 
> friendly, we ought perhaps to assume that they will.  Fair enough?
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my mac
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> >>
> >> On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:44 AM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks, unlike what some people want you to believe, 
> Amazon/Audible have not singled out the blind.  They have a policy 
> of only supporting Apple iOS and Android apps, and have stopped 
> supporting other new devices including many MP3 players that 
> sighted persons use.  Further, it would appear that since they now 
> support the Stream -- that they will support the new Stream.
> >>>
> >>> I don't agree with everything that amazon does -- they are not 
> very blind friendly -- but let's be fair.  We can't expect 
> cooperation and work on their part if we shoot them down for 
> something that applies to everybody.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> At 07:42 PM 2/2/2013, you wrote:
> >>>> Is begging to have someone take them to court.
> >>>>
> >>>> Loren
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's hope so Michael.  Is amazon asking to have a fight?  It seems that
> >>>> their reluctance and outright refusal to let the kindle be accessible,
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Michael D.
> >>>> Barber
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:44 PM
> >>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Audible.com to exclude Victor Reader Stream
> >>>>
> >>>> I just heard from someone yesterday who received an e-mail 
> from Audible.com
> >>>> that they are indeed working to restore this.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> >>>> Portillo
>