[nfb-talk] language discussion

Nimer Jaber nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 23 22:00:20 UTC 2013


Um ... Trekker? Or get an android phone with a physical keyboard? Or or or ...

On 7/23/13, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> I've read the press releases about Idevices, but I wouldn't be able to use
> them, due to the touch screens.
> I'd prefer something that has actual buttons on it, that I can push, so I'll
> know what I'm doing.
> Blessings, Joshua
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Josh,
> Um, there already are many gps options. Haven't you read the press releases
> from sendero group and they are even making one for I devices now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:54 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Why not make a GPS for pedestrians?
> Sighted folks have them when they're driving, so it would make sense to
> make
> one for blind people that walk, to cross the street!
> Thanks, Joshua
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> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Mark Tardif
> [markspark at roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:51 PM
> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Also, this may very well be one of these times when, if it's available, it
> would actually be more independent to ask for help.  Sometimes we must ask
> for help, and not feel ashamed of it.  Is it going to be more independent
> to
> fish around looking with our hands for a street sign we hope is there or
> just quietly but assertively asking someone next to you waiting to cross
> what street this is, or if this is a particular street?  In this case,
> certainly in the big city with lots of pedestrians, I would opt for
> interacting with other people.  I've even done it in busy Manhattan, try
> it,
> it often works.  LOL.  Sorry, couldn't resist that last comment I actually
> think traveling in New York can be rather cool.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Hingson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:46 AM
> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Right, but not having them high blocks some views, and they must then be
> found.  So, are you going to move around looking for a sign while a group
> of
> others are waiting to cross a street or are you going to ask for
> information?
>
> Yes, sometimes no one will be around, but again, there are better ways
> which
> do not cause problems for anyone and which portray us in better lights.
> Also, are the signs set for taller people or shorter people?  That does
> make
> a difference.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna
> Givens
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 07:22 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> I agree.... Being able to read them from a distance would be the ideal
> situation.  But with a lack of idea as to how to do that.... It would at
> least be nice to be able to access the street name when one is lost or
> trying to confirm directions, rather than having to rely on people being on
> that street to ask them.  As there are push buttons on most stop light
> poles.  There could be a braille/raised letter sign indicating the street,
> or for that matter, any other information that people may like to have.
> Why does a street sign need to be above your head for blind poeple?  This
> makes no sense to me.  The only reason they are high up for sighted folks
> is
> so that they can be seen from a distance.  If we as blind people are using
> street signs by touch, there is no need for them to be high up on a pole.
> Not only is there no reason for them to be high up, but they would, by
> necessity, not be.  Evidently this has worked well in Australia.  They are
> just changing the signs, but they already had them.  Why not try it.  Seems
> reasonable to me.
> I am not saying it would or could or should happen.  After all, it comes
> down to how much it would cost.  But I do think it is an interesting idea
> to
> explore.
> Sighted people have access to signs that tell them where they are.... No
> equipment needed.
> Blind people do not have access to such a resource of that kind... I
> definitely think it is worth thinking about.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Not only that, but, like I said, you'd have to reach your hand way way
>> up.
> Now, I ask you, how's that going to look?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> How are you going to find them?  How can you read them from any
>>> distance away so you know what to do before you get to the
>>> intersection and then have to locate the sign, possibly in a crowd of
>>> people?  While Braille is great, what we need is ALL the value of a
>>> street sign including distance detection which is better obtained
>>> through
> other means.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna
>>> Givens
>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 06:36 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Anna E Givens
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They're impractical.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Anna Givens
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:14 PM
>>>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about it, but it is an interesting idea.  It might
>>>> be nice to have signs that blind people can read.  Sighted people
>>>> get them, why don't we?
>>>>
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:25 PM, "Michael Hingson"
>>>> <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but you'd be surprised how different wording is in different
>>>> countries.
>>>>> I have never heard Australians say "orientated", but I guess it is
>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:49 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>>>>> signs
>>>> in
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Pet Peeve, ... orientate is not a word.  One would be oriented, or
>>>>> would
>>>> get
>>>>> oriented, orient him/herself to the surroundings, , but never
> orientated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
>>>>> m gina
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:38 PM
>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>>>>> signs
>>>> in
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen a street sign, are they on the same pole as a
>>>>> light
>>>> pole?
>>>>> That would be most entertaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>> The following article was sent to me by a friend. Maybe the local
>>>>>> county government is considering placing Braille signage for
>>>>>> street
>>>> signs.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to know the federation thoughts on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yasmin Reyazuddin
>>>>>> Aging & Disability Services
>>>>>> Montgomery County Government
>>>>>> Department of Health & Human Services
>>>>>> 401 Hungerford Drive (3rd floor)
>>>>>> Rockville MD 20850
>>>>>> 240-777-0311 (MC311)
>>>>>> 240-777-1556 (personal)
>>>>>> 240-777-1495 (fax)
>>>>>> office hours 8:30 am 5:00 pm
>>>>>> Languages English, Hindi, Urdu, Braille
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.guidedogs.com.au/news-and-events/news/20-06-2013/sydney
>>>>>> si de rs -with-impaired-vision-to-trial-new-braille-street-signs
>>>>>
>>>>>> Top of Form
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sydneysiders with impaired vision to trial new Braille street
>>>>>> signs
>>>>>
>>>>>> 20 June, 2013
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Walking around Sydney can be easy if you can see to read the
>>>>>> street signs, but imagine how you'd go if you were blind or vision
> impaired?
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the incidence of vision loss increasing, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT
>>>>>> has welcomed a City of Sydney initiative to trial Braille and
>>>>>> tactile street signs that provide people who are blind or vision
>>>>>> impaired with information on where they are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients who use guide dogs or long canes
>>>>>> to help them get around will participate in the trial at Circular
> Quay.
>>>>>> It will involve them testing and providing feedback on the
>>>>>> legibility of prototype street signs that provide location
>>>>>> information in Braille and tactile raised lettering.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients and Community Education staff have
>>>>>> played a key role in the City of Sydney's consultation process on
>>>>>> the development of the new Braille and tactile street signs, which
>>>>>> will replace existing signage that has worn-out from use since
>>>>>> they were installed in the 1990s.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The trial will ensure that the best possible Braille and tactile
>>>>>> street sign products and designs are used so that people who are
>>>>>> blind or vision impaired can easily and independently access the
>>>>>> City of
>>>>> Sydney,"
>>>>>> says Jennifer Moon, Community Education Coordinator for Guide Dogs
>>>>>> NSW/ACT.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Braille and tactile street signs are an important enhancement
>>>>>> to the specialized work our Orientation and Mobility Instructors do.
>>>>>> They provide training to people with impaired vision that enables
>>>>>> them to move around their environments safely and on their own."
>>>>>
>>>>>> After the trial, it is proposed that a new network of Braille and
>>>>>> tactile street signs will be placed next to pedestrian crossing
>>>>>> buttons on traffic light poles through the CBD. They aim to give
>>>>>> pedestrians with vision loss the confidence that they will be able
>>>>>> to
>>>>> 'orientate'
>>>>>> themselves throughout their journey and at their destination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guide dog handler Nicole Holmes (pictured above), who has been
>>>>>> part of the consultation process, knows only too well how
>>>>>> important it is to have the right Braille and tactile street signs in
> place.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The ability to identify my location or where I am in such a busy
>>>>>> city like Sydney most importantly eases my stress while I'm trying
>>>>>> to negotiate the environment," says Nicole, whose vision is
>>>>>> impaired due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Braille and tactile signage is also useful in reassuring me that
>>>>>> I am heading in the right direction to my destination so it
>>>>>> complements the assistance that I get from my long cane or guide
>>>>>> dog. I'm really pleased that the City of Sydney is trialing the
>>>>>> Braille street signs because as vision impairment can differ
>>>>>> between people, we need to make sure the end product will be
>>>>>> useful for as many people with vision impairment as possible."
>>>>>
>>>>>> Research predicts that the number of people in NSW and the ACT
>>>>>> aged over
>>>>>> 40 with impaired vision is set to rise to 100,000 by 2020 .
>>>>>
>>>>>> Each year, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT provides free services to almost
>>>>>> 4,000 people of all ages and with any degree of vision loss that
>>>>>> might impact their ability to get around independently.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For more information about Guide Dogs NSW/Act's free services
>>>>>> visit www.guidedogs.com.au or call 1800 804 805.
>>>>>> ENDS
>>>>>
>>>>>> MEDIA: Please contact: Sally Edgar, 0413 753 241 or
>>>>>> media at guidedogs.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>> ABOUT GUIDE DOGS NSW/ACT
>>>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT is the leading provider of guide dogs and
>>>>>> orientation and mobility services to enable people with impaired
>>>>>> vision to get around their communities independently. Services
>>>>>> include providing training and aids including long canes, guide
>>>>>> dogs and electronic travel devices such as talking GPS technology. .
>>>>>> Visit www.guidedogs.com.au, call 1800 804 805, or follow us on
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>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/GuideDogsNSWACT> .
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