[nfb-talk] language discussion
Anna Givens
annajee82 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 24 00:00:49 UTC 2013
I will add ... I have had my touchscreen for two years now and I love it. But it did take a while to get used to.
Anna E Givens
On Jul 23, 2013, at 6:48 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> You know because an accessible flat screen phone will talk to you. With the iphone, you touch it and it speaks. Then you have to double tap a button to make it work. I've had problems with touch screens because buttons are close together; its easy to tap the wrong thing and I find that a slight move in the device may make it change screens.
>
> I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling with touch screens.
> But its not relevant to this discussion as there are gps devices for us with buttons although they are very expensive. That is why I said that for those with I devices, you can use a navigation ap that only costs a few dollars or is free.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tardif
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:30 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Excuse my lack of knowledge, here, and I mean this with all sincerity. How
> do you work with these flat touch screens without guessing most of the time?
> One reason I like this phone I have, even though I have been eligible for an
> upgrade for a while now, is that there are real buttons on it.
>
>
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:24 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>
> Why not? There are plenty of blind people, some of whom are on this
> list (including myself,) who use I devices effectively. If you don't
> prefer an iPhone or another iOS device because of the touchscreen,
> that's fine; please don't assume, however, that you can't use it
> because of the touchscreen. That is simply not true.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
>
>> I've read the press releases about Idevices, but I wouldn't be able to use them, due to the touch screens.
>> I'd prefer something that has actual buttons on it, that I can push, so I'll know what I'm doing.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:54 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>
>> Josh,
>> Um, there already are many gps options. Haven't you read the press releases
>> from sendero group and they are even making one for I devices now.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:54 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>
>> Why not make a GPS for pedestrians?
>> Sighted folks have them when they're driving, so it would make sense to make
>> one for blind people that walk, to cross the street!
>> Thanks, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Mark Tardif
>> [markspark at roadrunner.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:51 PM
>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>
>> Also, this may very well be one of these times when, if it's available, it
>> would actually be more independent to ask for help. Sometimes we must ask
>> for help, and not feel ashamed of it. Is it going to be more independent to
>> fish around looking with our hands for a street sign we hope is there or
>> just quietly but assertively asking someone next to you waiting to cross
>> what street this is, or if this is a particular street? In this case,
>> certainly in the big city with lots of pedestrians, I would opt for
>> interacting with other people. I've even done it in busy Manhattan, try it,
>> it often works. LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist that last comment I actually
>> think traveling in New York can be rather cool.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:46 AM
>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>
>> Right, but not having them high blocks some views, and they must then be
>> found. So, are you going to move around looking for a sign while a group of
>> others are waiting to cross a street or are you going to ask for
>> information?
>>
>> Yes, sometimes no one will be around, but again, there are better ways which
>> do not cause problems for anyone and which portray us in better lights.
>> Also, are the signs set for taller people or shorter people? That does make
>> a difference.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 07:22 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>
>> I agree.... Being able to read them from a distance would be the ideal
>> situation. But with a lack of idea as to how to do that.... It would at
>> least be nice to be able to access the street name when one is lost or
>> trying to confirm directions, rather than having to rely on people being on
>> that street to ask them. As there are push buttons on most stop light
>> poles. There could be a braille/raised letter sign indicating the street,
>> or for that matter, any other information that people may like to have.
>> Why does a street sign need to be above your head for blind poeple? This
>> makes no sense to me. The only reason they are high up for sighted folks is
>> so that they can be seen from a distance. If we as blind people are using
>> street signs by touch, there is no need for them to be high up on a pole.
>> Not only is there no reason for them to be high up, but they would, by
>> necessity, not be. Evidently this has worked well in Australia. They are
>> just changing the signs, but they already had them. Why not try it. Seems
>> reasonable to me.
>> I am not saying it would or could or should happen. After all, it comes
>> down to how much it would cost. But I do think it is an interesting idea to
>> explore.
>> Sighted people have access to signs that tell them where they are.... No
>> equipment needed.
>> Blind people do not have access to such a resource of that kind... I
>> definitely think it is worth thinking about.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not only that, but, like I said, you'd have to reach your hand way way up.
>> Now, I ask you, how's that going to look?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How are you going to find them? How can you read them from any
>>>> distance away so you know what to do before you get to the
>>>> intersection and then have to locate the sign, possibly in a crowd of
>>>> people? While Braille is great, what we need is ALL the value of a
>>>> street sign including distance detection which is better obtained through
>> other means.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna
>>>> Givens
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 06:36 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They're impractical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Anna Givens
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:14 PM
>>>>> To: mike at michaelhingson.com; NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] language discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know much about it, but it is an interesting idea. It might
>>>>> be nice to have signs that blind people can read. Sighted people
>>>>> get them, why don't we?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:25 PM, "Michael Hingson"
>>>>> <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but you'd be surprised how different wording is in different
>>>>> countries.
>>>>>> I have never heard Australians say "orientated", but I guess it is
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:49 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>>>>>> signs
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pet Peeve, ... orientate is not a word. One would be oriented, or
>>>>>> would
>>>>> get
>>>>>> oriented, orient him/herself to the surroundings, , but never
>> orientated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
>>>>>> m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:38 PM
>>>>>> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] FW: Interesting article on a new trial for
>>>>>> signs
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen a street sign, are they on the same pole as a
>>>>>> light
>>>>> pole?
>>>>>> That would be most entertaining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The following article was sent to me by a friend. Maybe the local
>>>>>>> county government is considering placing Braille signage for
>>>>>>> street
>>>>> signs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to know the federation thoughts on this topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yasmin Reyazuddin
>>>>>>> Aging & Disability Services
>>>>>>> Montgomery County Government
>>>>>>> Department of Health & Human Services
>>>>>>> 401 Hungerford Drive (3rd floor)
>>>>>>> Rockville MD 20850
>>>>>>> 240-777-0311 (MC311)
>>>>>>> 240-777-1556 (personal)
>>>>>>> 240-777-1495 (fax)
>>>>>>> office hours 8:30 am 5:00 pm
>>>>>>> Languages English, Hindi, Urdu, Braille
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This message may contain protected health information or other
>>>>>>> information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the
>>>>>>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by return mail and
>>>>>>> destroy any copies of this material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.guidedogs.com.au/news-and-events/news/20-06-2013/sydney
>>>>>>> si de rs -with-impaired-vision-to-trial-new-braille-street-signs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Top of Form
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sydneysiders with impaired vision to trial new Braille street
>>>>>>> signs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20 June, 2013
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Walking around Sydney can be easy if you can see to read the
>>>>>>> street signs, but imagine how you'd go if you were blind or vision
>> impaired?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the incidence of vision loss increasing, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT
>>>>>>> has welcomed a City of Sydney initiative to trial Braille and
>>>>>>> tactile street signs that provide people who are blind or vision
>>>>>>> impaired with information on where they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients who use guide dogs or long canes
>>>>>>> to help them get around will participate in the trial at Circular
>> Quay.
>>>>>>> It will involve them testing and providing feedback on the
>>>>>>> legibility of prototype street signs that provide location
>>>>>>> information in Braille and tactile raised lettering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT clients and Community Education staff have
>>>>>>> played a key role in the City of Sydney's consultation process on
>>>>>>> the development of the new Braille and tactile street signs, which
>>>>>>> will replace existing signage that has worn-out from use since
>>>>>>> they were installed in the 1990s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The trial will ensure that the best possible Braille and tactile
>>>>>>> street sign products and designs are used so that people who are
>>>>>>> blind or vision impaired can easily and independently access the
>>>>>>> City of
>>>>>> Sydney,"
>>>>>>> says Jennifer Moon, Community Education Coordinator for Guide Dogs
>>>>>>> NSW/ACT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Braille and tactile street signs are an important enhancement
>>>>>>> to the specialized work our Orientation and Mobility Instructors do.
>>>>>>> They provide training to people with impaired vision that enables
>>>>>>> them to move around their environments safely and on their own."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After the trial, it is proposed that a new network of Braille and
>>>>>>> tactile street signs will be placed next to pedestrian crossing
>>>>>>> buttons on traffic light poles through the CBD. They aim to give
>>>>>>> pedestrians with vision loss the confidence that they will be able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 'orientate'
>>>>>>> themselves throughout their journey and at their destination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guide dog handler Nicole Holmes (pictured above), who has been
>>>>>>> part of the consultation process, knows only too well how
>>>>>>> important it is to have the right Braille and tactile street signs in
>> place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The ability to identify my location or where I am in such a busy
>>>>>>> city like Sydney most importantly eases my stress while I'm trying
>>>>>>> to negotiate the environment," says Nicole, whose vision is
>>>>>>> impaired due to Retinopathy of Prematurity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Braille and tactile signage is also useful in reassuring me that
>>>>>>> I am heading in the right direction to my destination so it
>>>>>>> complements the assistance that I get from my long cane or guide
>>>>>>> dog. I'm really pleased that the City of Sydney is trialing the
>>>>>>> Braille street signs because as vision impairment can differ
>>>>>>> between people, we need to make sure the end product will be
>>>>>>> useful for as many people with vision impairment as possible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Research predicts that the number of people in NSW and the ACT
>>>>>>> aged over
>>>>>>> 40 with impaired vision is set to rise to 100,000 by 2020 .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each year, Guide Dogs NSW/ACT provides free services to almost
>>>>>>> 4,000 people of all ages and with any degree of vision loss that
>>>>>>> might impact their ability to get around independently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information about Guide Dogs NSW/Act's free services
>>>>>>> visit www.guidedogs.com.au or call 1800 804 805.
>>>>>>> ENDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MEDIA: Please contact: Sally Edgar, 0413 753 241 or
>>>>>>> media at guidedogs.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ABOUT GUIDE DOGS NSW/ACT
>>>>>>> Guide Dogs NSW/ACT is the leading provider of guide dogs and
>>>>>>> orientation and mobility services to enable people with impaired
>>>>>>> vision to get around their communities independently. Services
>>>>>>> include providing training and aids including long canes, guide
>>>>>>> dogs and electronic travel devices such as talking GPS technology. .
>>>>>>> Visit www.guidedogs.com.au, call 1800 804 805, or follow us on
>>>>>>> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/guidedogsnswact?ref=hl> or
>>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/GuideDogsNSWACT> .
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