[nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Gloria Whipple glowhi at centurylink.net
Wed May 29 00:01:17 UTC 2013


My family is still the same way. I cannot get it through their heads about
being independent using the cane.

Gloria Whipple


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
Lester
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 15:16
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

If it was someone that had never met a blind person before, it would be
different.
My problem is, that it's stupid family members that know better!
You can fix ignorant all day long, but you can't fix stupid!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Mark Tardif
[markspark at roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

It's sometimes very hard and one has to grit the teeth to avoid saying
unpleasant things.  But having said that, I think we do a better job of
educating when we are gentle and sensitive to the fact that these people
just don't know and are probably nervous as heck at meeting what very well
might be their first blind person.  But it isn't always easy.

Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:50 PM
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Me too!
I can't stand ignorant people!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria Whipple
[glowhi at centurylink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

I also don't like it and I set them straight on what it is.

Gloria Whipple


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
Lester
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:46
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Hi, Mrs. Gloria!
I get so tired of ignorant ideots calling my cane a "stick!"
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nfb-talk [nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gloria Whipple
[glowhi at centurylink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:35 PM
To: 'Misty Dawn Bradley'; 'NFB Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

Hi Misty,

I agree with you on the GPS.

I have had people tell me to leave my stick if I am going sighted guide with
them. I tell them that my so called stick is part of me. I don't leave home
without it.

Gloria Whipple


-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn
Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:42
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots

I am the same way. I have been using my cane since I was in kindergarten or
first grade, which is about 20 years ago, so I don't feel right when I don't

have my cane with me. I also like the challenge of figuring out things on my

own, although it is nice to have a GPS sometimes, but it is not a necessity.
Misty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots


>I am not sure about this. I am so use to using my cane and like it.
>
> Gloria Whipple
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:28
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Guide Bots
>
> Mike,
>
> To me, the idea of a device that is responsible for guiding, even if made
> simpler as described here, adds so much complexity and
> size that really has limited advantage to my way of thinking.  A small
> device that could be mounted on a cane or connected to a
> dog's leash to detect objects and provide feedback would provide most of
> what a guiding device would without the size and other
> complicating issues.  Why does it have to aim itself at all if the blind
> person were to receive enough information to do the
> aiming from a smaller travel aid?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:24:59 -0400, Michael Bullis wrote:
>
>>I've been thinking about a new travel device lately and would be
>>interested
>>in any feedback members might have.
>
>>I've been wondering lately if there is enough reasonably priced portable
>>processing power available to make a guide bot.
>
>>From looking on the web there are a few projects, mostly not very
>>efficient
>>ones.  There is a company called nst that is working on it but expects to
>>bring a product to market in the 2020's.  The reason most projects are so
>>difficult is that they are spending inordinate amounts of time and money
>>teaching the guide bots to climb stairs and fully "lead" the blind
>>person.
>>We know this is unnecessary.
>
>>If you remove the necessity to "lead" the blind person the project becomes
>>much simpler.
>
>>The device doesn't need to climb stairs.  The blind person can simply lift
>>it up or down.  This assumes of course that it is a lightweight  device.
>
>>For example, suppose you have a two wheeled device with two forward facing
>>cameras  and a handle on it that you direct.  You push the device down the
>>sidewalk let's say.  When it detects an object that you should go around,
> to
>>the left, the left wheel has a brake on it.  When the left brake engages
> and
>>slows the left wheel, the device naturally turns that direction.  The same
>>thing happens if you want to go right.  If there's a curb coming, both
>>wheels slowly engage their brakes.
>
>>At any time, if you as the person in charge wish to override the braking,
>>you simply give a quick shove to the device.
>
>>The blind person provides the forward motion, eliminating any need for
>>motive power.  The only thing the device needs power for is processing and
>>braking.
>
>>Whether verbally, or with a small keypad, you tell the device what you
>>want
>>it to do.  If the device is going to talk to you at all it needs to be
>>through an open-ear earbud.  But this may be unnecessary.
>
>>
>
>>I believe it would require two cameras for measuring distance and for
>>scanning both in front and to the sides.
>
>>In order for the device to be practical it would have to solve problems
> that
>>the cane and most dogs don't solve.  That is, it would have to detect
>>objects at head height.  And, it would have to be fast.  The thing that
>>limits a cane user in new territory is the necessity of slowing down while
>>detecting an object and moving around it.
>
>>
>
>>I place a list of things below that are within reach of today's technology
>>but I'm not sure if they are within the practical financial boundaries of
>>a
>>marketable device.
>
>>I thought those of you who think about matters like this might weigh in on
>>this and let me know.
>
>>Here is my list of things the device could do.
>
>>1.  avoiding objects-people and other interferences to the path of travel
>
>>2.  Detecting objects as high as one's head.
>
>>3.  identifying curbs and ramps
>
>>4.  recognizing intersecting sidewalks or other paths of travel
>
>>5.  finding doors
>
>>6.  locating up or down stairs
>
>>7.  locating elevators
>
>>8.  locating elevator buttons
>
>>9.  finding restrooms
>
>>10.  finding empty urinals
>
>>11.  finding empty seats on busses or in conference rooms
>
>>12.  returning to an already found seat
>
>>13.  finding a bus stop
>
>>14.  finding a specific address
>
>>15.  following an indicated person
>
>>
>
>>I'd be interested in feedback on this idea.
>
>>If you wish to write me off-line, do so at
>
>>mbullis at imagemd.org
>
>>Thanks for your thinking.
>
>>Mike
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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