[nfb-talk] A little concerned about this new drug aimedat totally blind population

Sun Feb 2 22:48:41 UTC 2014

Peter, 

The NFB received money from those who took the study and told the
researchers that's where they wanted the money to go.  To my knowledge, they
did not fund this research.  And as for showing you the  data, that sounds
like you are saying my wife and I are fibbing about some of the methods that
are involved.  If you are not, I am sorry for taking what you said and
thining you are.  

Loren 

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Donahue
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 5:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] A little concerned about this new drug aimedat
totally blind population

Good morning everyone,

    Show me the data! Blood and urinalysis are not usually done as a part of
a sleep study. I don't want our resources and any contributions I give to
the NFB going to support research of this kind when we have far bigger fish
to fry! And then we wonder why more technology isn't accessible to us.

Peter Donahue

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From: "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] A little concerned about this new drug aimedat
totally blind population

> Peter,
> This study is well done.  They had a test group and basically a 
> double-blind study.  People given the actual drug or placebo did not 
> know which they had.
> There were blood and urine analysis.  The same labs did the analysis.
> That's why we need to not put down this study.  Every group has its 
> issues that are specific to that group.  We as blind are not immuneed 
> to this fact.
> I know people who fall in to this category and they tried for years to 
> work through it.  I don't know this, but it also to me seems to be 
> somewhat tied to age.
>
> Anyway, from where I sit, this is areal problem.  Just working and 
> excercising will now do a thing for it.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Donahue
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 5:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] A little concerned about this new drug aimed 
> at totally blind population
>
> Hello Beth and everyone,
>
>    And to the best of my knowledge they're not first putting their 
> test subjects through baseline sleep studies to rule out legitimate 
> sleep disorders before determining that the issue is connected with 
> the sleep-wake cycle. What I fear is happening is that these folks are 
> convinced that one's blindness affects our ability to sleep normally 
> ignoring the possibility that these blind individuals may have 
> bonafied  sleep disorders having nothing to do with their blindness. 
> As long as blind individuals and the NFB continue to be suckers for 
> this kind of research they'll keep on doing it.
>
>    I know first hand what can happen when a sleep disorder goes 
> undiagnosed for years. When I was growing up folks thought that my 
> blindness was affecting my sleeping. It took an unfortunate incident I 
> was involved in during our 2001 National Convention that eventually 
> lead to my being diagnosed with the worst case of Obstructive Sleep 
> Apnea (OSA) imaginable!It's very possible that had the Sleep Apnea 
> been diagnosed sooner the incident I referred to above and other 
> difficulties I had through the years due to lack of sleep could have 
> been prevented. I fear that other blind individuals are being sent 
> down that same road.
>
>    The NFB has had a long history of scrutinizing so-called research 
> of this kind. I fear we fell down on the job with this one. If these 
> people were conducting this research responsively they would require 
> their subjects to undergo sleep studies before investigating 
> sleep-wake issues that may or may not be directly connected to 
> blindness. These people have been frighteningly silent on this point. 
> Having experienced what can happen when a sleep disorder goes 
> undiagnosed neither of us want any part of such pseudo research and 
> hate the thought of drug companies getting rich at our expense.
>
> We will be glad when the NFB disassociates from what these people are 
> doing and turns its attention to more important matters concerning our 
> ability to live independent and productive lives.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <beth.wright at mindspring.com>
> To: <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 3:33 PM
> Subject: [nfb-talk] A little concerned about this new drug aimed at 
> totally blind population
>
>
>> Hi, folks. Just wanted to see if I could get the scoop on this new
>> drug that's supposed to correct the sleep/wake cycles in people who
>> are totally blind. I'm totally blind myself, but haven't had any
>> problems with my sleep patterns, so, even though I've seen lots of ads
>> for it on blindness-related web sites and know that they've been a
>> major sponsor at our conventions, I wasn't all that concerned about it
>> one way or the other. As far as I can tell, their ads have been pretty
>> tastelike and their recruitment techniques, fairly low key. Lately,
>> though, they seem to be ramping up the message. From what I can tell,
>> they now seem to be claiming that this sleep/wake thing is a serious
>> problem, affcting around eighty thousand people in the US, the
>> majority ofthe totally-blind population. I think that's deceptive. I
>> know that they need to reach the largest number of people possible in
>> order to make a sufficient profit, but I don't think they should
>> exaggerate the seriousness of this so-called disorder.
>>
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