[nfb-talk] Climate

Larry Wayland lhwayland at sbcglobal.net
Mon Jun 22 01:08:23 UTC 2015 

Well, yes that was in Arkansas, but that same political climate has spread
throughout  the nation.  It's a normal thing. The political pendulum swings
back and forth.   Its far to the right at this time but it will come back.
In the mean time we need to keep working on getting laws passed to make it
easier for blind people to participate in education and the work place.
Personally I don't think spending  millions on changing our money to make it
more accessible is necessary. Folding bills has always been affective for
me. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, just not necessary at this time.
Education and the work place is much more important.



-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Heim
via nfb-talk
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate

But that's just Arkansas.  One of the reasons the NFB gave for siding with
movie producers in fighting  early FFC regulations on video descriptions was
that we'd rather have accessible emergency information. 
Well, the logic aside, the truth is that we'd rather have both. But people
at the NFB disregarded that possibility. Then along comes the Twenty-First
Century Communications and Video Accessability Act and it's a reality. The
NFB approved a resolution calling the ACB lawsuit on accessible money a
"publicity stunt". The ACB won that lawsuit in spite of the NFB doing
everything they could do to stop it. Think of how much easier these things
would have been if the NFB had thrown it's weight in on the winning side.
And the NFB itself would be far better off. After the ACB won it's suit, the
NFB had to ask that it be allowed to be part of the negotiations on how
money would be made accessible. I talked to the President of the ACB via
email and he was reluctant to let the NFB be part of the negotiations not
just because of the hard feelings but also because of the possibility of the
NFB being a negative influence on the negotiations.

This negative attitude is harmful. Just because you think you can do
something, that doesn't mean you can. But if you think you can't do
something, then you are almost certain to fail.



On 06/19/2015 05:26 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
> John, I am not totally disagreeing with you on this.  Yes we need to 
> fight vigorously for accessibility rights in all reasonable areas, 
> most especially in education and the work place.  Having said that, I 
> am going to repeat that the political climate is not good at this 
> time. Doesn't mean we don't need to fight as a matter of fact we need 
> to fight harder.  I have faced some of these bad climate legislators
across a table in our State Capital.
> One are two were friendly but most were not and some were bordering  
> on being hostel.  They were in the process of repealing the technology 
> law I mentioned in a previous message. The speaker of the House told 
> me that they needed to protect the people of the state from a Law 
> Suit.  I got the idea that he felt the blind people of the state did not
really have any rights.
> While the law was in place for 13 years, it was affective in causing 
> developers to set up regular meetings to discuss accessibility and 
> things were looking better, not great, but better.  I don't want to go 
> into all the story, its too long.  The law was successfully repealed 
> and replaced withg one that matches 508.  That was two years ago and 
> now there is no meetings no discussion and no accessibility development as
far as I can tell.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
> Heim via nfb-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:56 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: John Heim
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
>
> Come on, Larry, do you really think I was saying you had to change the 
> world all by yourself?
>
> When I wrote of your negative attitude, I was talking about your 
> comment agreeing with Tom Freeman that the climate wasn't right for 
> getting laws passed to get things fixed. First of all, that's not even 
> true. The truth is that much of the progress that has been made has 
> been in spite of the NFB's efforts to derail it. I know that's hard to 
> hear but it's true. I am not questioning the sincerity of those 
> involved but the fact is that the NFB has been on the wrong, not to 
> mention the losing side, of a lot of battles over the past few years. 
> Secondly, if the climate has changed to be against us, lets change it
back!
>
> Look at what has happened with gay marriage over the past 2 or 3 years.
> The country did an almost complete about face on that issue over the 
> past few years. Any day now, it is probably going to be the law of the
land.
> Whatever you think of gay marriage, you have to admit that was in 
> incredible turnaround.
>
> And we have one extraordinarily powerful weapon on our side -- the truth.
> The truth has strength. It has power. With it, we can win.
>
> [And no, I am not running for President of the NFB.]
>
> On 06/17/2015 09:36 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>> It was a state law passed in Arkansas.  You are right, you don't know 
>> me and it sure looked as though you were attacking me directly.  I 
>> don't know what you see im my message that looks like a defeatist 
>> attitude. I just said the laws are in place and they are not really 
>> doing any good.  It looks as though the companies are just ignoring 
>> them. I agree with you about being knocked down a thousand  times. It 
>> sure seems that way sometimes, and you are right we should not ever 
>> accept
> defeat.
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John 
>> Heim via nfb-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:10 PM
>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Climate
>>
>> First of all, your message is too vague for me to respond to in any 
>> meaningful way. What law are you talking about?
>>
>> Secondly, when I said "you", I didn't mean you personally. I meant 
>> everyone in the NFB. That should have been obvious.  For all I know 
>> you personally arere on 18 boards of directors and are the president 
>> of 23
> non-profits.
>> That's not the point.
>>
>> On the other hand, you personally are responsible for helping to 
>> prepetuate this defeatist attitude.  We can't win if we tell 
>> ourselves we are beaten before we even start. I personally will never
accept that.
>> I don't care if I get knocked down a thousand times, I intend to keep 
>> fighting. And I'll tell you, with iavit.org, sometimes I feel like 
>> it's at least a thousand times already.
>>
>> On 06/17/2015 08:52 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> I did, we worked hard and got a law passed and it worked great for 
>>> 15
>> years.
>>> Then a new administration came along and repealed the law. The law 
>>> was used to successfully sue the state. If we could have gotten 
>>> other states to pass a similar law it would have worked great, but 
>>> other states were not able to pass a similar law so companies just 
>>> refused to update the software we sued over so the reps thought they 
>>> had to repeal the law to protect the state from other law suits. If 
>>> other states had passed similar laws they would have been forced to 
>>> make their software accessible and we would not be in this 
>>> situation. So maybe you need to get off your butt! and get some laws
passed your self!
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> John Heim via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:18 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>> Cc: John Heim
>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Climate (was: Medical feeding tube not 
>>> accessible to a
>>> member)
>>>
>>> So what are you going to do about it? The problem I have with this 
>>> attitude is that it is so often used as an excuse to not try. Just 
>>> stop it! Stop! Get off your butts and get to work. Pass a resolution 
>>> demanding accessible medical devices and then move heaven and earth 
>>> to get the law passed.  And if you fail, try again only try harder.
>>> And if you fail again, try harder still!
>>>
>>> This is how the world is changed. It's not changed by sitting around 
>>> and talking about how hard it is to change the world.
>>>
>>> On 06/17/2015 07:34 PM, Larry Wayland via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>> Yes we have those laws,  and yet almost all TV systems are still 
>>>> not accessible. Blind people are still having trouble with 
>>>> accessibility in schools and with their jobs. I agree that the 
>>>> political climate is not good for passing good solid laws at this 
>>>> time and I think it will be a while before we see any serious
improvement.
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:39 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: John Heim
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>> member
>>>>
>>>> In recent years, Congress has given us an improved ADA and the 
>>>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act. 
>>>> The Supreme Court signed off on accessible currency. I don't think 
>>>> the political climate is anywhere near the impediment to progress 
>>>> that you
>>> make it out to be.
>>>> On 06/17/2015 03:41 PM, Mike Freeman via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> IMO it will require Congressional action to mandate accessibility
>>>>> -- something I deem highly unlikely in the current political climate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:29 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Fellow Federationists:
>>>>> An issue of this kind may be brought up at our upcoming NFB 
>>>>> Convention in Orlando, Florida.
>>>>> Please pass the word around.
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Chrane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ken Chrane via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:23 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Ken Chrane
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:07 PM
>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Medical feeding tube not accessible to a 
>>>>> member
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jason thanks for your message.  I do not know if there is a 
>>>>> machine for feeding that is accessible to the blind.  I've never 
>>>>> heard of medical tubes being accessible to the blind.  This is an 
>>>>> interesting issue for your member.
>>>>>
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