[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

John Heim john at johnheim.com
Sat Jan 7 02:32:03 UTC 2017


In retrospect, I realize that it may not have been clear that my comment 
was a joke.


On 01/06/2017 07:52 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
> pretty perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with
> blimishes and imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things
> about ourselves.
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> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
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>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around 235
>>> pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big belly, and
>>> blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to much less
>>> stress on that front.
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>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point
>>>> has
>>>> been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to me.
>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am
>>>>> wondering
>>>>> how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all defective
>>>>> morons."
>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to
>>>>> say it
>>>>> has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to my
>>>>> response
>>>>> to Jen.
>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't
>>>>> remember
>>>>> a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I was much
>>>>> younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life, but as I
>>>>> got
>>>>> older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love my life as a
>>>>> blind person.
>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
>>>>> see,"
>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want to
>>>>> ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not want,
>>>>> at the
>>>>> age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life. Also, and here's
>>>>> where many may disagree, I am a believer in God, and I truly believe
>>>>> that He made me this way for his reasons. It is upon me to accept
>>>>> those
>>>>> reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually say
>>>>> that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I believe
>>>>> this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge that?
>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted
>>>>> person
>>>>> does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody there drives,
>>>>> they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how is that different
>>>>> from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while many sighted folks
>>>>> don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook, clean, work, complain
>>>>> about my relationship, my job and the state of the world, and I crave
>>>>> snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So having said all this, I
>>>>> find my
>>>>> life to basically be the same as everyone else's.
>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your
>>>>> feelings,
>>>>> so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you do, and
>>>>> noone can
>>>>> take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how you deal with those
>>>>> feelings that matters.
>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from
>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with
>>>>>> shadows and
>>>>>> optical illusions
>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this normal
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I don't feel sorry
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> myself for being blind, and I have incorporated alternative
>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> my life. So personally, I consider myself as a well-adjusted blind
>>>>>> person.
>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because, since
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> never had it, everything would be too much clutter for me. Also, I
>>>>>> have my
>>>>>> own pictures of visual things in my mind's eye, and I wouldn't
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> ruin
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to have
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback from my fellow
>>>>>> Federationists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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