[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

Jen spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Jan 7 22:02:34 UTC 2017 

"Re: "about a thousand left to go..."

Such as?



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From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan via nfb-talk
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See

Well...that's one avenue of judgment down, about a thousand left to go :-) 

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> On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Walter,
> 
> On the "blessing" side, I think one of the advantages of blindness is
being
> unable to judge someone by their looks. Also, I think the way I see things
> in my mind's eye is more vivid than that of a sighted person. About your
> "carnage" comment, I'm glad I couldn't see what was happening on September
> 11, 2001.
> 
> On the "curse" side, the problem of low expectations is still too
frequent,
> especially with employment, with seventy percent of working-age blind
people
> unemployed.
> 
> Jen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Walter
> Mitchell via nfb-talk
> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:54 AM
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> Cc: Walter Mitchell <walterl.mitch2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
> 
> I have been following this string of messages, but the reply below
> encouraged me to reply. I am my own worst critic and greatest fan. I see
> perfection in some areas in my life and imperfection in other areas. With
> that, I believe blindness is as Tony Shelub, the star of the show "Monk,"
> expressed about his condition on the show; this is a blessing and a curse.
> It is a blessing for all the carnage we miss that is happening on a daily
> basis in the world and a curse when the people look at us as incompetent
and
> dependant on their sight and intellect.
> 
> Yes, it would be great to have my sight back, but the most high has
ordained
> it to be different from what I want. I have accepted the fact and have
moved
> on with the help of the NFB and people like each of you. We all have
> different opinions of what could or should be, but we all have had a big
> gulp of reality. I pray for each of your, peace and safety.
> 
> Living the dream, by raising expectations!
> 
> Much Love,
> Walter Mitchell
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> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
> Prater via nfb-talk
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 8:53 PM
> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> Cc: Devin Prater
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
> 
> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
pretty
> perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with blimishes and
> imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things about ourselves.
> 
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> 
> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around 
>>> 235 pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big 
>>> belly, and blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to 
>>> much less stress on that front.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk 
>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point 
>>>> has been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to
> me.
>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am 
>>>>> wondering how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all
> defective morons."
>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to 
>>>>> say it has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to 
>>>>> my response to Jen.
>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't 
>>>>> remember a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I 
>>>>> was much younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life, 
>>>>> but as I got older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love 
>>>>> my life as a blind person.
>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
see,"
>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want 
>>>>> to ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not 
>>>>> want, at the age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life. 
>>>>> Also, and here's where many may disagree, I am a believer in God, 
>>>>> and I truly believe that He made me this way for his reasons. It is 
>>>>> upon me to accept those reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually 
>>>>> say that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I 
>>>>> believe this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge
> that?
>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted 
>>>>> person does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody 
>>>>> there drives, they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how 
>>>>> is that different from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while 
>>>>> many sighted folks don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook, 
>>>>> clean, work, complain about my relationship, my job and the state 
>>>>> of the world, and I crave snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So 
>>>>> having said all this, I find my life to basically be the same as
> everyone else's.
>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your 
>>>>> feelings, so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you 
>>>>> do, and noone can take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how 
>>>>> you deal with those feelings that matters.
>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from 
>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with 
>>>>>> shadows and optical illusions
>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this 
>>>>>> normal for a blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I 
>>>>>> don't feel sorry for myself for being blind, and I have 
>>>>>> incorporated alternative techniques into my life. So personally, I 
>>>>>> consider myself as a well-adjusted blind person.
>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because, 
>>>>>> since I've never had it, everything would be too much clutter for 
>>>>>> me. Also, I have my own pictures of visual things in my mind's 
>>>>>> eye, and I wouldn't want to ruin them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to 
>>>>>> have these feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback 
>>>>>> from my fellow Federationists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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