[nfb-talk] Wanting to See

Devin Prater r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
Sat Jan 7 23:16:40 UTC 2017


"blind people being visually non-judgemental isn't totally true, for me at 
least. I like bigger girls, around my size or bigger. Being tall is a plus 
too, lol. My point is that we can judge by looks just like the rest of 
humanity.

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On January 7, 2017 5:02:34 PM kaye zimpher via nfb-talk 
<nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I'm not prejudice, I hate everyone. lol, just kidding. But this message is
> true. I can remember having conversations with people who were amazed and
> angered that someone they knew made a racist statement, but 10 minutes later
> they made a statement about seeing 2 men holding hands. What is that? Aren't
> they, in some way the same, they are at least hurtful.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Brannan via nfb-talk" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>
>
>> Oh gosh. Let's see. Of course, there are the usual prejudices that are
>> learned, like race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status. Voice and speech
>> mannerisms, and don't tell me that we don't judge on those! I certainly
>> do, even if unconsciously. Level of education, or perceived level of
>> education. Disability, yes, even that.
>>
>> Here's what I'm getting at. Human beings judge. Human beings put people
>> into little boxes, sometimes, as I said, unconsciously. Human beings have
>> prejudices, and they're not all based, or, I'd say, in the main, even
>> primarily based, on visual aspects. I'd love to meet the person who
>> doesn't have any prejudices. It's one flaw in being human. We seem to have
>> a need to be better than some other group in some way. The great thing
>> about being human, however, is we can learn to recognize this tendency and
>> actively and consciously work in ourselves to combat it.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Re: "about a thousand left to go..."
>>>
>>> Such as?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>> Brannan via nfb-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 4:52 PM
>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>
>>> Well...that's one avenue of judgment down, about a thousand left to go
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Jen via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Walter,
>>>>
>>>> On the "blessing" side, I think one of the advantages of blindness is
>>> being
>>>> unable to judge someone by their looks. Also, I think the way I see
>>>> things
>>>> in my mind's eye is more vivid than that of a sighted person. About your
>>>> "carnage" comment, I'm glad I couldn't see what was happening on
>>>> September
>>>> 11, 2001.
>>>>
>>>> On the "curse" side, the problem of low expectations is still too
>>> frequent,
>>>> especially with employment, with seventy percent of working-age blind
>>> people
>>>> unemployed.
>>>>
>>>> Jen
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Walter
>>>> Mitchell via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>> To: 'NFB Talk Mailing List' <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Walter Mitchell <walterl.mitch2 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>
>>>> I have been following this string of messages, but the reply below
>>>> encouraged me to reply. I am my own worst critic and greatest fan. I see
>>>> perfection in some areas in my life and imperfection in other areas.
>>>> With
>>>> that, I believe blindness is as Tony Shelub, the star of the show
>>>> "Monk,"
>>>> expressed about his condition on the show; this is a blessing and a
>>>> curse.
>>>> It is a blessing for all the carnage we miss that is happening on a
>>>> daily
>>>> basis in the world and a curse when the people look at us as incompetent
>>> and
>>>> dependant on their sight and intellect.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it would be great to have my sight back, but the most high has
>>> ordained
>>>> it to be different from what I want. I have accepted the fact and have
>>> moved
>>>> on with the help of the NFB and people like each of you. We all have
>>>> different opinions of what could or should be, but we all have had a big
>>>> gulp of reality. I pray for each of your, peace and safety.
>>>>
>>>> Living the dream, by raising expectations!
>>>>
>>>> Much Love,
>>>> Walter Mitchell
>>>> Member, NFB Ohio, Cincinnati chapter, Diabetes Action Network Ohio
>>>> Coordinator, NFB NEWSLINE Registered Ohio
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>>>> (800) 340-8211 ext. 101  L2T Products and Services Toll free
>>>> Walterl.mitch2 at gmail.com Email
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> YouTube channel NFB OHIO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
>>>> Prater via nfb-talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 8:53 PM
>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Devin Prater
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>
>>>> Perfection isn't really something that is the same for everyone. I'm
>>> pretty
>>>> perfect to myself, for example. If we see ourselves with blimishes and
>>>> imperfections, we won't be able to see the amazing things about
>>>> ourselves.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On January 6, 2017 7:27:57 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I, fortunately, am perfect except for the fact that I am blind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/06/2017 07:08 PM, Devin Prater via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>> I think it's mostly about how you view yourself. I'm fat, at around
>>>>>> 235 pounds, and have been blind since birth. I accept both my big
>>>>>> belly, and blind eyes, so I don't worry about either, which leads to
>>>>>> much less stress on that front.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On January 6, 2017 6:52:28 PM John Heim via nfb-talk
>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, I didn't insert the word "defective" into this debate. My point
>>>>>>> has been that you can even say I am defective and it means nothing to
>>>> me.
>>>>>>> Defective, disabled, handicapped -- I don't care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/06/2017 06:43 PM, kaye zimpher via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> First I want to say, that having read the original post, I am
>>>>>>>> wondering how we got from "are feelings normal" to "we are all
>>>> defective morons."
>>>>>>>> Well, John didn't say moron, that was a joke, but that is just to
>>>>>>>> say it has stretched the topic a bit. But enough of that, now on to
>>>>>>>> my response to Jen.
>>>>>>>> Personally, I too have been blind from birth. I actually can't
>>>>>>>> remember a time that I ever wanted to see. There was a time, when I
>>>>>>>> was much younger that I did not accept myself, or my place in life,
>>>>>>>> but as I got older, and realized a few things, I have grown to love
>>>>>>>> my life as a blind person.
>>>>>>>> I have found that many of the things that people "wish they could
>>> see,"
>>>>>>>> I already have a basis for in my mind, and like you, I don't want
>>>>>>>> to ruin that. I am a perfectly capable person, and I would not
>>>>>>>> want, at the age of 46, to take the time to truly relearn life.
>>>>>>>> Also, and here's where many may disagree, I am a believer in God,
>>>>>>>> and I truly believe that He made me this way for his reasons. It is
>>>>>>>> upon me to accept those reasons and live the life He asks of me.
>>>>>>>> I've been asked before if I feel that God will heel me. I usually
>>>>>>>> say that if he sees the need, he definitely has the power, but I
>>>>>>>> believe this is exactly who he wants me to be. Why would I challenge
>>>> that?
>>>>>>>> When it comes to conveniences, I feel that much of what a sighted
>>>>>>>> person does, I also do. Have you ever lived in New York? Nobody
>>>>>>>> there drives, they all take the subway or cab, or now Uber, so how
>>>>>>>> is that different from me? I watch TV, I listen to books, and while
>>>>>>>> many sighted folks don't listen to audio books, some do. I cook,
>>>>>>>> clean, work, complain about my relationship, my job and the state
>>>>>>>> of the world, and I crave snack foods when I'm dieting. *smile* So
>>>>>>>> having said all this, I find my life to basically be the same as
>>>> everyone else's.
>>>>>>>> As for whether or not your feelings are normal. They are your
>>>>>>>> feelings, so they are your normal. Only you can feel the way you
>>>>>>>> do, and noone can take it away or tell you not to. It is all in how
>>>>>>>> you deal with those feelings that matters.
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the long post. Everyone have a great weekend.
>>>>>>>> Kaye in Jacksonville Florida, where it is *not* snowing!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jen via nfb-talk"
>>>>>>>> <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Jen" <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfb-talk] Wanting to See
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I posted on my "driverless cars" thread, I'm totally blind from
>>>>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have always been interested in visual things. They include
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * pictures, especially pictures of pictures
>>>>>>>>> * colors
>>>>>>>>> * the sky
>>>>>>>>> * videos
>>>>>>>>> * light and the various ways it can be manipulated, like with
>>>>>>>>> shadows and optical illusions
>>>>>>>>> * rainbows
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... and so many others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now here's my question. I wish I could see sometimes. Is this
>>>>>>>>> normal for a blind person? I'm not consumed by these feelings. I
>>>>>>>>> don't feel sorry for myself for being blind, and I have
>>>>>>>>> incorporated alternative techniques into my life. So personally, I
>>>>>>>>> consider myself as a well-adjusted blind person.
>>>>>>>>> At the same time though, I wouldn't want my sight back because,
>>>>>>>>> since I've never had it, everything would be too much clutter for
>>>>>>>>> me. Also, I have my own pictures of visual things in my mind's
>>>>>>>>> eye, and I wouldn't want to ruin them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My family and friends, who are sighted, tell me it is normal to
>>>>>>>>> have these feelings. But it would be great to get some feedback
>>>>>>>>> from my fellow Federationists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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