[nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?

Jack Heim john at johnheim.com
Mon Jun 26 03:25:38 UTC 2017 

Paul Ryan is a fan of Ayn Rand  and Rand Paul was named after her. So I 
don't think they are going to be swayed by anything the United Nations 
says. That might actually work against it.  And I am not sure it is 
possible to carry on a philosophical debate on this list but I'd be 
interested in hearing what the conservatives on this list say. Is health 
care a human right?





On 06/25/2017 07:47 PM, Jen via nfb-talk wrote:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> I feel compelled to add to your message, with which I absolutely agree. In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, health care is stated as a huam right. I can pull up that part of the UCHR if you want. Personally, I feel health care is a human right.
> 
> Jen
> 
> spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen Rose via nfb-talk
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:32 PM
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> Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?
> 
> I think the issue here is whether healthcare, not health insurance, is a right or a privilege. When we talk about our right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, doesn't that include the right to visit a doctor when needed and thus to remain alive? If so then we need Medicare for all in the country from the time we are born to the time we die.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ray, you need to learn to control your temper.
>>
>> Besides, I'm not a leftist. I just go where the facts take me. Here's what is really going on... You might have heard these stats from the Kaiser Family Foundation, 49% of births in the US are financed by Medicaid, 30% of disabled people get their health care from Medicaid, and somewhere around 10% of the population as a whole get their health care from Medicaid. But those stats mean something different to conservatives like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Rand Paul than they do to most Americans. To those guys, those stats are the sign of a failing system. Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA subsidies make up about a quarter of the federal budget. Throw in SSI and it's about half. That's a big chunk and if you want to balance the budget, that's an obvious place to start.
>>
>> But would we be better off cutting back on health care? According to the CIA, the US already has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the civilized world. You're not likely to improve that statistic by cutting back on the program that provides health care for nearly half of the births in this country. Cutting back on Medicaid is going to make it harder for disabled people to stay in their homes. It will make it harder for people to get preventative care. Those things are going to cost us all money in the long run. There are only 2 ways to save money on health care, let people die when they get sick or make the health care system more efficient. We are not going to make ourselves a better, stronger nation by taking health care away from 23 million Americans.
>>
>> [Sources]
>> CIA Infant Mortality Stats:
>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
>> Kaiser Family Foundation medicaid stats:
>> http://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/births-financed-by-medicaid/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 06/25/2017 05:17 PM, Ray Foret jr via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> More leftist crap.  Do you really believe that?
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice GuRay, you need to learn to control your temper.
>>
>> Besides, I'm not a leftist. I just go where the facts take me. Here's what is really going on... You might have heard these stats from the Kaiser Family Foundation, 49% of births in the US are financed by Medicaid, 30% of disabled people get their health care from Medicaid, and somewhere around 10% of the population as a whole get their health care from Medicaid. But those stats mean something different to conservatives like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Rand Paul than they do to most Americans. To those guys, those stats are the sign of a failing system. Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA subsidies make up about a quarter of the federal budget. Throw in SSI and it's about half. That's a big chunk and if you want to balance the budget, that's an obvious place to start.
>>
>> But would we be better off cutting back on health care? According to the CIA, the US already has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the civilized world. You're not likely to improve that statistic by cutting back on the program that provides health care for nearly half of the births in this country. Cutting back on Medicaid is going to make it harder for disabled people to stay in their homes. It will make it harder for people to get preventative care. Those things are going to cost us all money in the long run. There are only 2 ways to save money on health care, let people die when they get sick or make the health care system more efficient. We are not going to make ourselves a better, stronger nation by taking health care away from 23 million Americans.
>>
>> [Sources]
>> CIA Infant Mortality Stats:
>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
>> Kaiser Family Foundation medicaid stats:
>> http://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/births-financed-by-medicaid/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 06/25/2017 05:17 PM, Ray Foret jr via nfb-talk wrote:
>>> More leftist crap.  Do you really believe that?
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jack Heim via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Holy cow, Steve, there is a bill in the Senate right now, sponsored by the Republican majority leaderand put together by Republicans for Republicans that would strip a trillion dollars from Medicaid. The only thing standing between it and passin is a handful of Republican Senators, and to you there's nothing to worry about? The only thing that is going to keep that bill from passing is, in fact, action on the part of organizations like the NFB.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where you get your news from but everything I've seen says it's touch and go. There's no "watching health care legislation evolve", no "marathon". It's now or never.
>>>>
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>>>>> On 06/24/2017 09:17 PM, Steve Jacobson via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>> My understanding is that the incident did occur, and I don't think who reported it really is an issue in this case.
>>>>>  From my perspective, there are serious implications that need to be watched closely as we see health care legislation evolve.  As an organization, though, I would think it would make sense to get a better sense of where this is going before we pull out all stops as some have already done.  As it stands right now, there is a pretty good chance the current bill isn't going anywhere as it is written because of a number of Republicans who are not supporting it.  Having people willing to call attention to this issue is a good thing, but I also don't see a problem in an organization waiting to see if we're going to need further action later.  This is probably going to be a marathon and not a fifty yard dash.  Another aspect of all this is that it is easy to put all ones energy into a single issue and a single event without concerned about any other legislative activities that might be affected by one's action.  It is much more difficult to measure one's response to maximize one's general effectiveness and to make sure there is energy left when it is most needed.  I hope that our leadership would consider how are actions might affect the other issues that we're trying to address.  Finally, I don't see a problem with us conserving some of our energy to fight for things that nobody else is fighting for.  I think one can make a decision not to pull out all stops to deal with an issue knowing that there are others who will do it while still feeling the issue is important.  .
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karen Rose via nfb-talk
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:43 AM
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>>>>> Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?
>>>>> The issue is not the show but the facts of what happened
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Judy Jones via nfb-talk <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but the Rachel Madow show is not the bastian of accuracy, I would read no further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfb-talk [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack Heim via nfb-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:11 PM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Cc: Jack Heim
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office! So where our blind organizations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to hear the whole thing, you should listen to the podcast of the Rachel Madow show for last night, June 22.  I don't know how to point you to just that one show but you can subscribe here:
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-rachel-maddow-show-podcast
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those protests outside Senator McConnells office were organized by the same group, ADAPT,  that organized a huge protest in 1974 in Denver over inaccessible buses. That whole story is on that same Rachel Madow podcast. They snarled traffic in Denver for a day and a half to protest the fact that they couldn't use city buses. It made me think of all the debates I have had on this list with people who feard a "backlash" from pushing for our rights.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On 06/23/2017 06:48 PM, Karen Rose via nfb-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Claire-Elizabeth DeSophia <desophia.politics at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> Date: June 23, 2017 at 4:38:09 PM PDT
>>>>>>>> To: therapists for Single Payer
>>>>>>>> <single-payer-therapists at googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: {Single Payer} Disabled protesters dragged from McConnell's office!
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: single-payer-therapists at googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Outrageous!!!  And I can’t find a story on it in the NYTimes and don’t watch TV; I hope it was on everywhere!
>>>>>>>> What has our country come to?!?!!
>>>>>>>> ==Claire-Elizabeth
>>>>>>>> Disabled Protesters Just Showed Senate Democrats How It's Done
>>>>>>>> Friday, June 23, 2017 By Kelly Hayes, Truthout | Op-Ed
>>>>>>>> font size   Print
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A disabled demonstrator is dragged from her wheelchair outside of the
>>>>>>>> offices of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, as people gathered
>>>>>>>> to protest Medicaid cuts, on Capitol Hill, in Washington, DC, June
>>>>>>>> 22, 2017. (Photo: Doug Mills / The New York Times)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In times of great injustice, independent media is crucial to fighting back against mi
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