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<p>Well, if the culture is changing, I'm glad. The example you gave
strikes me as a little weak. How about all appliances having to be
accessible, not just medical ones?</p>
<p>We need to stop thinking it is better for us to adapt to society
than for society to adapt to us. At a basic level, That's not
true. It can be true sometimes when the cost for society to adapt
is too high. The fundamental point here is that there is nothing
wrong with trying to change society. That, in fact, is a good
thing.<br>
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<p>There is nothing wrong with asking for the moon. What you can do
is to fight for all appliances to be made accessible. and if you
have to, settle for just medical appliances.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Now, I’ve only been a member for a few years, but
I would respectfully beg to differ with regard to your statement
that the NFB culture is still like this.
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<div>Only take our present fight to get medical devices made
accessible. Is this not an example of wishing society to
accommodate to our needs instead of the other way around?</div>
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<div>I honestly think the culture that used to be is changing,
and the above is only one example. </div>
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<div>And, quite frankly, I’m glad to see the change!</div>
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<div>It is my belief that we shouldn’t keep looking backward but
start looking forward to what is possible with what I believe
to be a far more enlightened and, indeed, practical view.</div>
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<div>After all, it is my belief that we cannot wait. If we stick
strictly to the philosophy that we should adapt to society,
our progress will be (and, I would say, has been) stunted
considerably.</div>
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<div>Sure, in theory, it is best for us to adapt to society. I
actually have no disagreement about this, but this approach
is, today, simply not practical.</div>
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<div>Nor do I believe that the issue is a binary one. We can
work to adapt to society while, at the same time, asking
society to accommodate our needs while we work toward that
better goal.</div>
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<div>Just some cursory thoughts that could probably be better
written and thought-out. :)</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 8, 2023, at 11:20 AM, John
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<div dir="ltr"><span>The culture in the NFB was, and still
is, to ask blind people to adapt to the world instead
of asking for the world to adapt to us. You can see this
in the recent debate over asking Disney to stop doing
fireworks.</span><br>
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<span>Another good example from the distant past. The NFB
was part of a coalition that asked Microsoft to not
include a free screen reader in Windows. The rationale
was that they might do a lousy job while still putting
Freedom Scientific out of business. But what we should
have done was to demand that every operating system have
a free, built in screen reader. We should have fought to
make that a law and if Microsoft or Apple did a crummy
job, kick their ass.</span><br>
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<span>The NFB filed amicus briefs against accessible money
and described video. The President of the NFB at the
time, Marc Maurer, went to Washington and testified
against accessible money. Imagine what the NFB could
have accomplished if all that energy had been devoted to
fighting for something instead of against something.
Think about the amount of additional energy that could
have been generated had the NFB been fighting *for*
things that would have made the lives of blind people
better.</span><br>
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<span>I know what some people on this list are thinking,
what they are going to say. We can never know for sure
what would have happened had the NFB taken the other
side on these issues. But that's why I brought up the
life story of Judy Heumann. She wouldn't have have said
that we're asking for too much. She wouldn't have been
afraid of what would happen if we failed.</span><br>
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<span>On 3/7/23 12:41, Karen Rose via nFB-Talk wrote:</span><br>
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we would have a posed accessible pedestrian signals??</span><br>
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culture in the NFB. Years ago, the Access Board was
going to propose a regulation requiring cities to
install accessible pedestrian signals whenever an
intersection was built or rebuilt. The Access Board
can't just impose regulations like that. It would
have had to go through channels. But had it been
approved, by now there would be millions of these
things around the country. And probably dozens of
lives would have been saved. But the NFB organized
protests to stop it and the Access Board dropped the
idea.</span><br>
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culture so that kind of thing can never happen
again. We should have been out there organizing
sit-ins to make it happen, not fighting it.</span><br>
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for sharing this information on the list. Judy
Heuman was a staunch activist for those with
disabilities. I am also of the firm belief that we
need to fight for our rights. The National
Federation Of The Blind should join advocates in
fighting for our rights.</span><br>
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