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<p>Yes, these things were controversial -- which is exactly the
problem I am talking about. Accessible pedestrian signals should
never have been controversial. The technology for the better
accessible pedestrian signals was available by the time the NFB
organized the protest in 2003. <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.apsguide.org/chapter1_history.cfm">http://www.apsguide.org/chapter1_history.cfm</a><br>
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<p>Here is an article from the Braille Monitor from 2003 when the
protest occured. Note there is nothing in there about the
technology itself. All the protestors say is that we don't need
them.</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://nfb.org/sites/default/files/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm03/bm0301/bm030103.htm">https://nfb.org/sites/default/files/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm03/bm0301/bm030103.htm</a></p>
<p>Perhaps the most telling quote from that article is from <font
size="4" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Mike Freeman: "We
didn't need audible pedestrian signals, nor did we need
detectable warnings to walk the streets with safety and grace."</font></p>
<p>Somehow, the protestors felt that asking for accessible
pedestrian signals was a sign of weakness or lack of grace. That's
exactly the cultural change I am pushing for.<br>
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<p><font size="4" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">It never was
about the technology. If it had been about the technology, the
NFB would have been organizing protests to make sure the
accessible pedestrian signals were the best ones available at
the time.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/23 14:53, Buddy Brannan via
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Why is a question that’s going to open a huge can of worms and a lot of debate, but it’s a fact that we did. Ditto truncated domes. I’d say at least part of the opposition had to do with the state of the art at the time of APS, which were, in general, not great. They have improved *a lot* in the years since, just as traffic patterns and signaling have become more complex and dangerous.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mar 7, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Karen Rose via nFB-Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfb-talk@nfbnet.org"><nfb-talk@nfbnet.org></a> wrote:
Hi John. Just wondering why we would have a posed accessible pedestrian signals??
Karen Rose MFT/LPCC <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.career-therapy.net">www.career-therapy.net</a>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mar 7, 2023, at 9:29 AM, John Heim via nFB-Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfb-talk@nfbnet.org"><nfb-talk@nfbnet.org></a> wrote:
We need to change the culture in the NFB. Years ago, the Access Board was going to propose a regulation requiring cities to install accessible pedestrian signals whenever an intersection was built or rebuilt. The Access Board can't just impose regulations like that. It would have had to go through channels. But had it been approved, by now there would be millions of these things around the country. And probably dozens of lives would have been saved. But the NFB organized protests to stop it and the Access Board dropped the idea.
We need to change the culture so that kind of thing can never happen again. We should have been out there organizing sit-ins to make it happen, not fighting it.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 3/7/23 10:26, broanna49--- via nFB-Talk wrote:
John thank you so much for sharing this information on the list. Judy Heuman was a staunch activist for those with disabilities. I am also of the firm belief that we need to fight for our rights. The National Federation Of The Blind should join advocates in fighting for our rights.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mar 7, 2023 11:01 AM, John Heim via nFB-Talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfb-talk@nfbnet.org"><nfb-talk@nfbnet.org></a> wrote:
I think Judy Heumann's life story is a lesson for members of this list.
Please watch/listen to this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/because-she-made-a-fuss-judy-heumann-made-everyone-s-life-better-164606021818">https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/because-she-made-a-fuss-judy-heumann-made-everyone-s-life-better-164606021818</a>
Rachel Madow makes a point there that I have tried to make many times on
this list. By advocating for our rights, we make everyone's life better.
When we choose not to push for reform, we are damaging society as a whole.
Judy Heumann was once part of a cit-in at a federal building that lasted
28 days. As messy and inconvenient as that was, it was a huge boon for
our society as a whole. Judy Heumann is a hero.
We need to change the culture within the NFB. We shouldn't have fought
accessible money and accessible pedestrian signals. Yes, I know those
issues came up a long time ago. But the culture within the NFB is the
same as it was back when we made those mistakes. We need to start
believing that when we fight for our rights, we're helping our society.
We're correcting a mistake. That helps us all.
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