[Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career

Fri Mar 6 03:28:21 UTC 2009

Well, you've got one student in me so far.  To me it seems one student's all
you need, and then I pass on what I learned to those behind me.  But,
arrogance aside, I can you round you up at least four others.  Thing is, why
not make it a general offering?  Sighted guys may very well decide they want
to learn how to develop sites as well, and who better to teach them than a
couple of blind instructors?

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie
-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Arnold Bailey
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
To: NFB Webmaster's List
Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career

Peter,

I couldn't be more in agreement. Thanks, as always.

Joe,

My problem, up to now, is a chicken and egg analogy. I can't ask for future
possible programmer career  persons to sign up for this if I don't have
anything for them to work on. Preparation is everything, I believe. Drupal,
I think, is a great starting point. It involves most of the programming
concepts and allows individuals of different skill levels to be involved.

How many students do you think would sign on to something like this, if I
had a good plan?

Arnold

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hello Peter. I suspect that the agenda is already well set for the 
> Youth Slam, but I would be more than happy to see some introductory 
> training done during the webmasters seminar if that's what people 
> would like to do. It may be that Mike Hansen and the folks who have 
> worked most closely with him would be willing to show us some of the 
> features they are now using in the webmasters development site. In 
> some respects I think that learning to develop WebPages is more a 
> matter of knowing how to read, and taking advantage of things already 
> on the web than it is using a part of Youth Slam which is a bit more 
> oriented to getting people to do things they thought they could never do
before.
>
> I would be interested in knowing what folks would like to see on the 
> agenda for our meeting this year.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" < 
> pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM
> Subject: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
>
>  Good morning everyone,
>>
>>   Following on with Arnold's comments this is something I've been 
>> thinking about for a while. Web Site Design and Management falls 
>> under Technology in the STEM acronym we often hear discussed in 
>> conversations concerning our science initiative. We have a Youth SLAM 
>> coming up this summer; a wonderful opportunity to introduce blind 
>> youngsters to the World of Web Site planning, design, construction, 
>> and management. Will a Web Design Track be a part of this year's 
>> Youth SLAM Program? If you asked me it should be! Given all of us who 
>> successfully build and manage Web sites for our affiliates and other 
>> entities and the all-ready rich amount of resources available to 
>> assist blind Web developers we should be doing more to inspire more 
>> blind youth to consider Web Development as a career.
>>
>>   Gary Wunder and I have had some correspondence concerning this 
>> matter. I believe one of the biggest issues to be resolved is how 
>> best to do it. I suggested to him that a portion of this year's 
>> Webmasters Workshop be devoted to developing strategies as to how to 
>> inspire more blind people to seriously consider becoming Web developers.
>>
>> In discussing building Web sites for some of our affiliates the 
>> question has been asked, "Whose going to fill your shoes" when you 
>> leave this World.
>> Although I enjoy creating and servicing affiliate Web sites I 
>> recognize that I'm not going to live forever. This and the all ready 
>> significant number of blind Web professionals has lead me to believe 
>> that this is a career more blind individuals should give serious 
>> consideration and that we as a group should play a part in making 
>> that happen.
>>
>> I've given this matter some thought and have casually tried out some 
>> ideas for teaching particular concepts to other blind people. The NFB 
>> Jernigan Institute doesn't run from a challenge. I'm hoping we can 
>> partner with them to develop new and innovative ways of instructing 
>> blind persons in Web site design and maintenance to ensure that our 
>> Web resources will continue to grow and be cared for and to create 
>> new Web entities if and when they're needed. I'll look forward to 
>> reading the feedback.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Bailey" 
>> <arnoldbail at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] NFB-WEB Sandbox
>>
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>> Thanks to Everett and yourself for the comments.
>>
>> My interest in Drupal is twofold.
>>
>>  1. Curiosity and to expand my knowledge.
>>  2. I have this vision of creating a platform to draw blind and 
>> visually  impaired students into investigating programming as a 
>> career. It would be  great if it was at a national level; but, a 
>> chapter level is ok. With 70%  unemployment in our community, there 
>> is obviously a great need. I must  admit, though, that, other than 
>> Peter D,, I've found zero support. But, I  can't give up the vision 
>> without feeling I've let down a lot of kids. The  Drupal development 
>> platform and learning support activities that it  requires, I think, is a
great learning mechanism.
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hansen <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Arnold,
>>>
>>> Everett is correct. My thought on the matter would be how much do 
>>> you want the ISP to take care of versus how much are you the Admin 
>>> willing to take care of?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> ---
>>> Mike Hansen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 AM, E.J. Zufelt <everett at zufelt.ca> wrote:
>>> > Good morning,
>>> >
>>> > If the ISP supports mysQL and PHP it takes about 20 minutes to 
>>> > install Drupal for a hosting account.
>>> >
>>> > HTH,
>>> > Everett
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 4-Mar-09, at 8:37 AM, Arnold Bailey wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Mike,
>>> >>
>>> >> Very nice work. I did notice that in firefox the navigation side 
>>> >> bar is located into the center of the webmasters sandbox page. In 
>>> >> IE it's fine.
>>> >>
>>> >> One question I have. Is there any thoughts given to affiliate and
>>> chapters
>>> >> usage of drupal? It seems like it would make sense for the 
>>> >> affiliate and chapters to pull a drupal theme and NFB 
>>> >> applications and use them on
>>> their
>>> >> site, The problem is that drupal is not usually found on most 
>>> >> ISPs. I would think that a single ISP that has drupal support 
>>> >> would be cost
>>> effectively
>>> >> justified.
>>> >>
>>> >> Arnold
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Michael Hansen 
>>> >> <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> The Sandbox is now up and running on our website. If you want to 
>>> >>> play around with a drupal install and not have to worry about 
>>> >>> breaking something there is one there for you. If you want to 
>>> >>> experiment with other things just create a sub directory off of 
>>> >>> the root and dorp in your code. Complete login information is posted
on our website.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let me know if you have questions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike
>>> >>> ---
>>> >>> Mike Hansen
>>> >>>
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