[Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career

Fri Mar 6 12:08:39 UTC 2009

Joe,

Would you be interested in working as a team to write an application like I
described a little bit ago? Taking the the four others as an example, what
are their skill levels compared to yours?

Arnold

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Hello Joe and listers,
>
>    If you know folks who want to learn Web design from a blindness
> perspective invite them to join this list. Tonight I was informed that I
> may
> have someone locally that wants to learn this art too. I also have a
> grandmother in North Dakota and an old school friend  in Connecticut who
> also want in on this adventure. Since Marie, the lady in Connecticut and I
> have JAWS Tandem. We thought of trying it out as an instruction tool. If
> we're successful perhaps I'll receive a request from someone in Tuktoyactuk
> wanting to learn how to create Web sites from our perspective. Perhaps in
> addition to the Webmasters Workshop might it be possible to have a
> breakfast? This could be a casual gathering for Web professionals and those
> wanting to learn about creating and managing Web sites to network with us
> to
> learn the tricks of the trade.
>    I'm glad we're giving this matter thought and discussion. I have some
> important podcasts going in to the clouds and need to check on them. More
> about that later as I'm still putting this system through its paces. Talk
> to
> you later.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB Webmaster's List'" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
>
> Well, you've got one student in me so far.  To me it seems one student's
> all
> you need, and then I pass on what I learned to those behind me.  But,
> arrogance aside, I can you round you up at least four others.  Thing is,
> why
> not make it a general offering?  Sighted guys may very well decide they
> want
> to learn how to develop sites as well, and who better to teach them than a
> couple of blind instructors?
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
> Barrie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Arnold Bailey
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
> To: NFB Webmaster's List
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
> Peter,
>
> I couldn't be more in agreement. Thanks, as always.
>
> Joe,
>
> My problem, up to now, is a chicken and egg analogy. I can't ask for future
> possible programmer career  persons to sign up for this if I don't have
> anything for them to work on. Preparation is everything, I believe. Drupal,
> I think, is a great starting point. It involves most of the programming
> concepts and allows individuals of different skill levels to be involved.
>
> How many students do you think would sign on to something like this, if I
> had a good plan?
>
> Arnold
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello Peter. I suspect that the agenda is already well set for the
> > Youth Slam, but I would be more than happy to see some introductory
> > training done during the webmasters seminar if that's what people
> > would like to do. It may be that Mike Hansen and the folks who have
> > worked most closely with him would be willing to show us some of the
> > features they are now using in the webmasters development site. In
> > some respects I think that learning to develop WebPages is more a
> > matter of knowing how to read, and taking advantage of things already
> > on the web than it is using a part of Youth Slam which is a bit more
> > oriented to getting people to do things they thought they could never do
> before.
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing what folks would like to see on the
> > agenda for our meeting this year.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> >
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" <
> > pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM
> > Subject: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
> >
> >
> >  Good morning everyone,
> >>
> >>   Following on with Arnold's comments this is something I've been
> >> thinking about for a while. Web Site Design and Management falls
> >> under Technology in the STEM acronym we often hear discussed in
> >> conversations concerning our science initiative. We have a Youth SLAM
> >> coming up this summer; a wonderful opportunity to introduce blind
> >> youngsters to the World of Web Site planning, design, construction,
> >> and management. Will a Web Design Track be a part of this year's
> >> Youth SLAM Program? If you asked me it should be! Given all of us who
> >> successfully build and manage Web sites for our affiliates and other
> >> entities and the all-ready rich amount of resources available to
> >> assist blind Web developers we should be doing more to inspire more
> >> blind youth to consider Web Development as a career.
> >>
> >>   Gary Wunder and I have had some correspondence concerning this
> >> matter. I believe one of the biggest issues to be resolved is how
> >> best to do it. I suggested to him that a portion of this year's
> >> Webmasters Workshop be devoted to developing strategies as to how to
> >> inspire more blind people to seriously consider becoming Web developers.
> >>
> >> In discussing building Web sites for some of our affiliates the
> >> question has been asked, "Whose going to fill your shoes" when you
> >> leave this World.
> >> Although I enjoy creating and servicing affiliate Web sites I
> >> recognize that I'm not going to live forever. This and the all ready
> >> significant number of blind Web professionals has lead me to believe
> >> that this is a career more blind individuals should give serious
> >> consideration and that we as a group should play a part in making
> >> that happen.
> >>
> >> I've given this matter some thought and have casually tried out some
> >> ideas for teaching particular concepts to other blind people. The NFB
> >> Jernigan Institute doesn't run from a challenge. I'm hoping we can
> >> partner with them to develop new and innovative ways of instructing
> >> blind persons in Web site design and maintenance to ensure that our
> >> Web resources will continue to grow and be cared for and to create
> >> new Web entities if and when they're needed. I'll look forward to
> >> reading the feedback.
> >>
> >> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Bailey"
> >> <arnoldbail at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] NFB-WEB Sandbox
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike.
> >>
> >> Thanks to Everett and yourself for the comments.
> >>
> >> My interest in Drupal is twofold.
> >>
> >>  1. Curiosity and to expand my knowledge.
> >>  2. I have this vision of creating a platform to draw blind and
> >> visually  impaired students into investigating programming as a
> >> career. It would be  great if it was at a national level; but, a
> >> chapter level is ok. With 70%  unemployment in our community, there
> >> is obviously a great need. I must  admit, though, that, other than
> >> Peter D,, I've found zero support. But, I  can't give up the vision
> >> without feeling I've let down a lot of kids. The  Drupal development
> >> platform and learning support activities that it  requires, I think, is
> a
> great learning mechanism.
> >>
> >> Arnold
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hansen <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Arnold,
> >>>
> >>> Everett is correct. My thought on the matter would be how much do
> >>> you want the ISP to take care of versus how much are you the Admin
> >>> willing to take care of?
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> ---
> >>> Mike Hansen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 AM, E.J. Zufelt <everett at zufelt.ca> wrote:
> >>> > Good morning,
> >>> >
> >>> > If the ISP supports mysQL and PHP it takes about 20 minutes to
> >>> > install Drupal for a hosting account.
> >>> >
> >>> > HTH,
> >>> > Everett
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 4-Mar-09, at 8:37 AM, Arnold Bailey wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Mike,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Very nice work. I did notice that in firefox the navigation side
> >>> >> bar is located into the center of the webmasters sandbox page. In
> >>> >> IE it's fine.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> One question I have. Is there any thoughts given to affiliate and
> >>> chapters
> >>> >> usage of drupal? It seems like it would make sense for the
> >>> >> affiliate and chapters to pull a drupal theme and NFB
> >>> >> applications and use them on
> >>> their
> >>> >> site, The problem is that drupal is not usually found on most
> >>> >> ISPs. I would think that a single ISP that has drupal support
> >>> >> would be cost
> >>> effectively
> >>> >> justified.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Arnold
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Michael Hansen
> >>> >> <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> The Sandbox is now up and running on our website. If you want to
> >>> >>> play around with a drupal install and not have to worry about
> >>> >>> breaking something there is one there for you. If you want to
> >>> >>> experiment with other things just create a sub directory off of
> >>> >>> the root and dorp in your code. Complete login information is
> posted
> on our website.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Let me know if you have questions.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Mike
> >>> >>> ---
> >>> >>> Mike Hansen
> >>> >>>
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