[Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career

Mon Mar 9 23:46:25 UTC 2009

Hi Charles,

We're all in the talking/brainstorming stage now. In a bit we can start a
thread(s) and discuss what and how to present the course(s)

Mike's experiences and recommendations are good input.

Arnold

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Charles Black <charlesblackusc at sc.rr.com>wrote:

> I would also like to express some interest.  Has a time for the class been
> decided?  Thanks!
>
> Charles E. Black
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City,, MO
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:15 AM
> To: NFB Webmaster's List
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
> That sounds very interesting. Thank you for keeping my name on file.
>
> Susie Stanzel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: NFB Webmaster's List
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
> Hello Arnold and listers,
>
>    I'm game for that one too.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnold Bailey" <arnoldbail at gmail.com>
> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
>
>
> Hi Susie,
>
> This is my view:
>
>   - #1 you have to be interested in exploring programming as a career.
>   - I would guess 4-5 hours of committed time per week.
>   - I view the establishment of teams with person's of like ability in
> the
>   same team.
>   - The programming environment you will see will be pre-created. I
> view it
>   being Drupal. We may have a library also.
>   - First will be the learning of the environment.
>   - Then depending on the abilities of the team there will be tutorial
>   site(s) that will be used to bring the team up to a level to be able
> to
>   write basic web programs.
>   - Then an NFB application will be assigned to be done by the team.
> This
>   will include the documentation (requirements, function, design,
> test).
> The
>   project will be done completely by the team.
>
> If we get 8-10 persons, there might be 2-3 teams. I believe I can manage
> that myself. In the language of programming development, this is a
> "prototype". What is learned from that is where we go next. That could
> be a
> more technical challenging web application or into Databases, Java,
> Visual
> Basic C#, Ruby, PHP, ASP.
>
> We'll see. HTH
>
> I'll keep your name on file as interested. It'll be a few months at the
> minimum. I'll be asking some  questions about your skill level and the
> PC
> environment that you have. After I gather that information from the
> students, I'll develop a course plan that you can review it before we
> start.
>
>
> Arnold
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Stance, Susan - Kansas City, MO <
> susan.stanzel at kcc.usda.gov> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested in learning. I don't know how we could work it
> > out.
> >
> > Susie Stanzel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:28 PM
> > To: 'NFB Webmaster's List'
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
> >
> > Well, you've got one student in me so far.  To me it seems one
> student's
> > all
> > you need, and then I pass on what I learned to those behind me.  But,
> > arrogance aside, I can you round you up at least four others.  Thing
> is,
> > why
> > not make it a general offering?  Sighted guys may very well decide
> they
> > want
> > to learn how to develop sites as well, and who better to teach them
> than
> > a
> > couple of blind instructors?
> >
> > Joe Orozco
> >
> > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for
> humanity."--James
> > M.
> > Barrie
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Arnold Bailey
> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
> > To: NFB Webmaster's List
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > I couldn't be more in agreement. Thanks, as always.
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > My problem, up to now, is a chicken and egg analogy. I can't ask for
> > future
> > possible programmer career  persons to sign up for this if I don't
> have
> > anything for them to work on. Preparation is everything, I believe.
> > Drupal,
> > I think, is a great starting point. It involves most of the
> programming
> > concepts and allows individuals of different skill levels to be
> > involved.
> >
> > How many students do you think would sign on to something like this,
> if
> > I
> > had a good plan?
> >
> > Arnold
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Peter. I suspect that the agenda is already well set for the
> > > Youth Slam, but I would be more than happy to see some introductory
> > > training done during the webmasters seminar if that's what people
> > > would like to do. It may be that Mike Hansen and the folks who have
> > > worked most closely with him would be willing to show us some of the
> > > features they are now using in the webmasters development site. In
> > > some respects I think that learning to develop WebPages is more a
> > > matter of knowing how to read, and taking advantage of things
> already
> > > on the web than it is using a part of Youth Slam which is a bit more
> > > oriented to getting people to do things they thought they could
> never
> > do
> > before.
> > >
> > > I would be interested in knowing what folks would like to see on the
> > > agenda for our meeting this year.
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" <
> > > pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM
> > > Subject: [Nfb-web] Web Design as a Career
> > >
> > >
> > >  Good morning everyone,
> > >>
> > >>   Following on with Arnold's comments this is something I've been
> > >> thinking about for a while. Web Site Design and Management falls
> > >> under Technology in the STEM acronym we often hear discussed in
> > >> conversations concerning our science initiative. We have a Youth
> SLAM
> >
> > >> coming up this summer; a wonderful opportunity to introduce blind
> > >> youngsters to the World of Web Site planning, design, construction,
> > >> and management. Will a Web Design Track be a part of this year's
> > >> Youth SLAM Program? If you asked me it should be! Given all of us
> who
> >
> > >> successfully build and manage Web sites for our affiliates and
> other
> > >> entities and the all-ready rich amount of resources available to
> > >> assist blind Web developers we should be doing more to inspire more
> > >> blind youth to consider Web Development as a career.
> > >>
> > >>   Gary Wunder and I have had some correspondence concerning this
> > >> matter. I believe one of the biggest issues to be resolved is how
> > >> best to do it. I suggested to him that a portion of this year's
> > >> Webmasters Workshop be devoted to developing strategies as to how
> to
> > >> inspire more blind people to seriously consider becoming Web
> > developers.
> > >>
> > >> In discussing building Web sites for some of our affiliates the
> > >> question has been asked, "Whose going to fill your shoes" when you
> > >> leave this World.
> > >> Although I enjoy creating and servicing affiliate Web sites I
> > >> recognize that I'm not going to live forever. This and the all
> ready
> > >> significant number of blind Web professionals has lead me to
> believe
> > >> that this is a career more blind individuals should give serious
> > >> consideration and that we as a group should play a part in making
> > >> that happen.
> > >>
> > >> I've given this matter some thought and have casually tried out
> some
> > >> ideas for teaching particular concepts to other blind people. The
> NFB
> >
> > >> Jernigan Institute doesn't run from a challenge. I'm hoping we can
> > >> partner with them to develop new and innovative ways of instructing
> > >> blind persons in Web site design and maintenance to ensure that our
> > >> Web resources will continue to grow and be cared for and to create
> > >> new Web entities if and when they're needed. I'll look forward to
> > >> reading the feedback.
> > >>
> > >> Peter Donahue
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Bailey"
> > >> <arnoldbail at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:19 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] NFB-WEB Sandbox
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mike.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks to Everett and yourself for the comments.
> > >>
> > >> My interest in Drupal is twofold.
> > >>
> > >>  1. Curiosity and to expand my knowledge.
> > >>  2. I have this vision of creating a platform to draw blind and
> > >> visually  impaired students into investigating programming as a
> > >> career. It would be  great if it was at a national level; but, a
> > >> chapter level is ok. With 70%  unemployment in our community, there
> > >> is obviously a great need. I must  admit, though, that, other than
> > >> Peter D,, I've found zero support. But, I  can't give up the vision
> > >> without feeling I've let down a lot of kids. The  Drupal
> development
> > >> platform and learning support activities that it  requires, I
> think,
> > is a
> > great learning mechanism.
> > >>
> > >> Arnold
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hansen
> <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Arnold,
> > >>>
> > >>> Everett is correct. My thought on the matter would be how much do
> > >>> you want the ISP to take care of versus how much are you the Admin
> > >>> willing to take care of?
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> ---
> > >>> Mike Hansen
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:20 AM, E.J. Zufelt <everett at zufelt.ca>
> > wrote:
> > >>> > Good morning,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > If the ISP supports mysQL and PHP it takes about 20 minutes to
> > >>> > install Drupal for a hosting account.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > HTH,
> > >>> > Everett
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On 4-Mar-09, at 8:37 AM, Arnold Bailey wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> Mike,
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Very nice work. I did notice that in firefox the navigation
> side
> > >>> >> bar is located into the center of the webmasters sandbox page.
> In
> >
> > >>> >> IE it's fine.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> One question I have. Is there any thoughts given to affiliate
> and
> > >>> chapters
> > >>> >> usage of drupal? It seems like it would make sense for the
> > >>> >> affiliate and chapters to pull a drupal theme and NFB
> > >>> >> applications and use them on
> > >>> their
> > >>> >> site, The problem is that drupal is not usually found on most
> > >>> >> ISPs. I would think that a single ISP that has drupal support
> > >>> >> would be cost
> > >>> effectively
> > >>> >> justified.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Arnold
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Michael Hansen
> > >>> >> <mhansen4 at gmail.com>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> The Sandbox is now up and running on our website. If you want
> to
> >
> > >>> >>> play around with a drupal install and not have to worry about
> > >>> >>> breaking something there is one there for you. If you want to
> > >>> >>> experiment with other things just create a sub directory off
> of
> > >>> >>> the root and dorp in your code. Complete login information is
> > posted
> > on our website.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Let me know if you have questions.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Mike
> > >>> >>> ---
> > >>> >>> Mike Hansen
> > >>> >>>
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