[Nfb-web] Druple vs WordPress a hobbiest's perspective
Littlefield, Tyler
tyler at tysdomain.com
Thu Aug 6 16:51:05 UTC 2015
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This is about the best place I can tell you to go:
https://www.drupal.org/documentation/modules/views
HTH,
On 8/6/2015 11:51 AM, erik burggraaf via Nfb-web wrote:
> Hi Tiler,, My personal experience and the limitted research I did
> suggested that knowledge of php code is necessary for working with
> views. Do you have references on getting started tutorials for any
> of the utilities you mentioned? I'd be very happy to be proven
> wrong.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Littlefield, Tyler via Nfb-web
>> <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
> Hello: Drupal never has required a working knowledge of PHP code.
> Unless you plan to write/edit/update modules. There are a lot of
> tools that let you get outside of your usual drupal site in the
> form of modules (like views). You don't need to use views API,
> there's a manager that works perfectly and is what I generally
> use.
>
> You do need php code when you start editing/updating/changing
> modules, or adding things via the API, but this is the case for
> Wordpress, as well.
>
> Drupal and it's ideas can be a bit to wrap your head around, but
> once you do (especially if you can administrate Wordcpress) there
> shouldn't be any reason why you can't update and add your own
> content, especially if views and content types are used as they
> should be.
>
> Wordpress also has e-cart modules, but I generally tend to prefer
> Drupal. I don't need to do extra work to make it feel like a
> not-blog.
>
> I recently created this site: http://acbstudents.net I moved a lot
> of content over, but this is the basic idea of what I'm aiming for.
> The announcements are in a view, which I did from within the web
> panel. Content is a bit lacking, but it's a great example of what I
> wanted to do. Also FWIW, it's possible to manage views via drush,
> which makes me all kinds of excited as it's really easy to do.
>
> While I recommend Drupal itself for websites, i also recommend it
> for organizations that need to allow people in an organization to
> upload and edit content. With Drupal, I can grant very fine
> controls to my users which says exactly what they can do; this
> allows me to give someone access to edit the site without them
> being able to edit everything. This is most useful, for example in
> an organization like ACBStudents, where I can give individual
> committee chairs access to edit their pages, public announcements,
> etc. The secretary will have the ability to create and add minutes
> and post global announcements.
>
> HTH, On 8/6/2015 10:52 AM, erik burggraaf via Nfb-web wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm one of the hobbiests. I know enough to break stuff but
>>>> have to do a lot of googling to fix anything and even then
>>>> things still elude me. I work on two sites:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nfbnevada.org <http://www.nfbnevada.org/> and
>>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
>>>> <http://www.inclusiveandroid.com/>
>>>>
>>>> I also worked on the back end for this site.
>>>> http://www.markvillephysiotherapy.com
>>>> <http://www.markvillephysiotherapy.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Inclusiveandroid is done in drupal. NFB Nevada is done in
>>>> pmwiki, and markville physiotherapy is done in wordpress.
>>>>
>>>> There are four people working on inclusive android, one of
>>>> whom is a full time web developer. Our web developer wanted
>>>> drupal and there was no one with more experience to gainsay
>>>> him. He set up a nice site, but when it came time to display
>>>> our content, it transpired that this supposedly experienced
>>>> individual had no working knowledge of the views module. So,
>>>> our team, (he), ended up paying for 30 hours of contract work
>>>> to create the views for one area of our huge site plus clean
>>>> up some of his code. As an administrater of this site, I can
>>>> absolutely publish and moderate content and sort'a work on
>>>> the ocasionald site feature, but I definitely wouldn't be
>>>> able to finish the project on my own if our webmaster were to
>>>> up and leave.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happier with the work I did on markville physiotherapy.
>>>> I had to turn a lot of crud on and off so that it would look
>>>> like a website not a blog and so that various features would
>>>> be accessible on the back end. At the end of the day, we had
>>>> something the customer and I were both confident with and he
>>>> has good people to support him and help him keep it updated.
>>>>
>>>> Both of these options absolutely require knowledge of html
>>>> markup. This is one of the first skills I acquired on my
>>>> first windows pc back in 1999, so I was up for it. On top of
>>>> that, Drupal requires a working knowledge of php code.
>>>>
>>>> When I took on the NFB of Nevada I needed a cms that did not
>>>> require a working knowledge of html because of I have a need
>>>> to teach people of varying skill levels to publish on the
>>>> site. Enter PM wiki which really is the closest thing to a
>>>> html'less cms I can imagine. I, as a hobbiest with my
>>>> limited knowledge of PHP could get in and do what needs doing
>>>> based on the excellent documentation provided. PM wiki is
>>>> highly extensible, light weight, collaborative, easy to teach
>>>> and easy to learn. The docs are fantastic. There is an
>>>> email list just like this one for pmwiki users where people
>>>> have been more or less willing to help when I got stuck.
>>>> Eventualy the NFB nevada site will offer online membership
>>>> management, online purchasing of novelty items such as
>>>> t-shirts, online registration for workshops, conventions and
>>>> seminars, and online application for scholarships. PMwiki
>>>> and Drupal both offer us all of this in their way, but
>>>> wordpress as far as I know, does not. I haven't explore d
>>>> all of the modules and some one will surely correct me if I'm
>>>> wrong here, but I don't often see wordpress being used in
>>>> this way.
>>>>
>>>> PMWiki has a few main drawbacks. There are security issues.
>>>> You do have to install an account log in and sign up process
>>>> from scratch as well as manually set permission on groups,
>>>> pages and actions. THis is a time consuming process and not
>>>> for the faint of heart. Drupal and wordpress really do a
>>>> nice job of taking care of this for you on the back end
>>>> unless you want something very specific.
>>>>
>>>> Updates: These are frequent, I'd say on average one every
>>>> couple of months which address security issues and php
>>>> compatibility issues. Extensions on the other hand are often
>>>> many years out of date and abandoned by their developers.
>>>> This leads to compatibility issues not easily fixed by one
>>>> with limitted knowledge of php.
>>>>
>>>> When I say a few, I guess I meant two. Those are the ones
>>>> that really jump out at me as I write this.
>>>>
>>>> With respect to Gabe, I don't recall seeing him at the
>>>> webmasters committee meeting or reading his name in the
>>>> attendence. I've also never seen any of his work and can't
>>>> comment on it; However, I found the webmasters meeting to be
>>>> very professional in terms of the ideas put fourth, the
>>>> presentations offered, and so on. I don't know most of the
>>>> people here, and we don't talk very much, but I don't think
>>>> there's a need to call out the professionalism of the group.
>>>> As a non-professional, I'm a bit put off by the comment.
>>>>
>>>> To address Peter's questions directly, I as a
>>>> non-professional only use mac voiceover and NVDA. NVDA has
>>>> had the most reliable web support for probably three years
>>>> now. I wouldn't really use anythning else on windows unless
>>>> an employer bought it for me and told me to use it. Jaws is
>>>> alright for some very specific tasks, but to me represents a
>>>> complete waste of money for general use in the current
>>>> market. Of course, I feel the same way about window-eyes and
>>>> hal and even system access seems like a stretch. Let's go
>>>> with NVDA all other things being equal.
>>>>
>>>> As to which is better, drupal or wordress, I believe they
>>>> are geared towards different skill levels and different
>>>> website needs. So, it would be helpful to know what your
>>>> needs are for us to make a good recommendation. If you are
>>>> building a website for an NFB affiliate, then I would ask the
>>>> group about the nfb template designs which were up for
>>>> discussion at the webmasters meeting. Having a template and
>>>> modules for drupal pre-configured to meet the needs of most
>>>> NFB affiliates would catapolt Drupal into the lead as a
>>>> platform for developing for the NFB. I would even consider
>>>> porting our pmwiki site over if the feature set is close to
>>>> what we want.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know what you're looking for in a site, and we'll try
>>>> to help you figure out what meets your needs.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Erik
>>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Peter Feysa, III. via Nfb-web
>>>>> <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reading the latest email messages from this
>>>>> list and it seems like you favor Druple over WordPress.
>>>>> Please tell me the pros and cons. I am trying to decide
>>>>> which is best. Alsok, which screen reader works best with
>>>>> the two? NVDA or JAWS?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Michael Feysa, III.
>>>>>
>>>>> Executor Director of Emerald Coast Lighthouse
>>>>>
>>>>> MCSE, MCP, CIW, A+ CompTIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Bachelor of Arts International Studies / Computer Science
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.eclfb.org/> Emerald Coast Lighthouse for the
>>>>> Blind, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> `
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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