[Nfb-web] Druple vs WordPress a hobbiest's perspective
Littlefield, Tyler
tyler at tysdomain.com
Thu Aug 6 18:52:40 UTC 2015
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Can you explain your analogy a bit better? I'm confused how you're
relating views to controls.
On 8/6/2015 2:47 PM, Bryan Schulz via Nfb-web wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Out of curiosity, would you say a view is similar to creating a
> vb.net form like drag/dropping controls where you want? For someone
> who can create content with html/php, css, js, mysql what is the
> difference/benefit of using drupal? Bryan
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nfb-web
> [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
> via Nfb-web Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:36 AM To: NFB
> Webmaster's List Cc: Littlefield, Tyler Subject: Re: [Nfb-web]
> Druple vs WordPress a hobbiest's perspective
>
> Hello: Drupal never has required a working knowledge of PHP code.
> Unless you plan to write/edit/update modules. There are a lot of
> tools that let you get outside of your usual drupal site in the
> form of modules (like views). You don't need to use views API,
> there's a manager that works perfectly and is what I generally
> use.
>
> You do need php code when you start editing/updating/changing
> modules, or adding things via the API, but this is the case for
> Wordpress, as well.
>
> Drupal and it's ideas can be a bit to wrap your head around, but
> once you do (especially if you can administrate Wordcpress) there
> shouldn't be any reason why you can't update and add your own
> content, especially if views and content types are used as they
> should be.
>
> Wordpress also has e-cart modules, but I generally tend to prefer
> Drupal. I don't need to do extra work to make it feel like a
> not-blog.
>
> I recently created this site: http://acbstudents.net I moved a lot
> of content over, but this is the basic idea of what I'm aiming for.
> The announcements are in a view, which I did from within the web
> panel. Content is a bit lacking, but it's a great example of what I
> wanted to do. Also FWIW, it's possible to manage views via drush,
> which makes me all kinds of excited as it's really easy to do.
>
> While I recommend Drupal itself for websites, i also recommend it
> for organizations that need to allow people in an organization to
> upload and edit content. With Drupal, I can grant very fine
> controls to my users which says exactly what they can do; this
> allows me to give someone access to edit the site without them
> being able to edit everything. This is most useful, for example in
> an organization like ACBStudents, where I can give individual
> committee chairs access to edit their pages, public announcements,
> etc. The secretary will have the ability to create and add minutes
> and post global announcements.
>
> HTH, On 8/6/2015 10:52 AM, erik burggraaf via Nfb-web wrote:
>> Hi all,
>
>> I'm one of the hobbiests. I know enough to break stuff but have
>> to do a lot of googling to fix anything and even then things
>> still elude me. I work on two sites:
>
>> http://www.nfbnevada.org <http://www.nfbnevada.org/> and
>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
>> <http://www.inclusiveandroid.com/>
>
>> I also worked on the back end for this site.
>> http://www.markvillephysiotherapy.com
>> <http://www.markvillephysiotherapy.com/>
>
>> Inclusiveandroid is done in drupal. NFB Nevada is done in
>> pmwiki, and markville physiotherapy is done in wordpress.
>
>> There are four people working on inclusive android, one of whom
>> is a full time web developer. Our web developer wanted drupal
>> and there was no one with more experience to gainsay him. He set
>> up a nice site, but when it came time to display our content, it
>> transpired that this supposedly experienced individual had no
>> working knowledge of the views module. So, our team, (he),
>> ended up paying for 30 hours of contract work to create the
>> views for one area of our huge site plus clean up some of his
>> code. As an administrater of this site, I can absolutely publish
>> and moderate content and sort'a work on the ocasionald site
>> feature, but I definitely wouldn't be able to finish the project
>> on my own if our webmaster were to up and leave.
>
>> I'm happier with the work I did on markville physiotherapy. I
>> had to turn a lot of crud on and off so that it would look like
>> a website not a blog and so that various features would be
>> accessible on the back end. At the end of the day, we had
>> something the customer and I were both confident with and he has
>> good people to support him and help him keep it updated.
>
>> Both of these options absolutely require knowledge of html
>> markup. This is one of the first skills I acquired on my first
>> windows pc back in 1999, so I was up for it. On top of that,
>> Drupal requires a working knowledge of php code.
>
>> When I took on the NFB of Nevada I needed a cms that did not
>> require a working knowledge of html because of I have a need to
>> teach people of varying skill levels to publish on the site.
>> Enter PM wiki which really is the closest thing to a html'less
>> cms I can imagine. I, as a hobbiest with my limited knowledge of
>> PHP could get in and do what needs doing based on the excellent
>> documentation provided. PM wiki is highly extensible, light
>> weight, collaborative, easy to teach and easy to learn. The docs
>> are fantastic. There is an email list just like this one for
>> pmwiki users where people have been more or less willing to help
>> when I got stuck. Eventualy the NFB nevada site will offer
>> online membership management, online purchasing of novelty items
>> such as t-shirts, online registration for workshops, conventions
>> and seminars, and online application for scholarships. PMwiki
>> and Drupal both offer us all of this in their way, but wordpress
>> as far as I know, does not. I haven't explore d all of the
>> modules and some one will surely correct me if I'm wrong here,
>> but I don't often see wordpress being used in this way.
>
>> PMWiki has a few main drawbacks. There are security issues.
>> You do have to install an account log in and sign up process
>> from scratch as well as manually set permission on groups, pages
>> and actions. THis is a time consuming process and not for the
>> faint of heart. Drupal and wordpress really do a nice job of
>> taking care of this for you on the back end unless you want
>> something very specific.
>
>> Updates: These are frequent, I'd say on average one every couple
>> of months which address security issues and php compatibility
>> issues. Extensions on the other hand are often many years out of
>> date and abandoned by their developers. This leads to
>> compatibility issues not easily fixed by one with limitted
>> knowledge of php.
>
>> When I say a few, I guess I meant two. Those are the ones that
>> really jump out at me as I write this.
>
>> With respect to Gabe, I don't recall seeing him at the
>> webmasters committee meeting or reading his name in the
>> attendence. I've also never seen any of his work and can't
>> comment on it; However, I found the webmasters meeting to be very
>> professional in terms of the ideas put fourth, the presentations
>> offered, and so on. I don't know most of the people here, and we
>> don't talk very much, but I don't think there's a need to call
>> out the professionalism of the group. As a non-professional, I'm
>> a bit put off by the comment.
>
>> To address Peter's questions directly, I as a non-professional
>> only use mac voiceover and NVDA. NVDA has had the most reliable
>> web support for probably three years now. I wouldn't really use
>> anythning else on windows unless an employer bought it for me
>> and told me to use it. Jaws is alright for some very specific
>> tasks, but to me represents a complete waste of money for general
>> use in the current market. Of course, I feel the same way about
>> window-eyes and hal and even system access seems like a stretch.
>> Let's go with NVDA all other things being equal.
>
>> As to which is better, drupal or wordress, I believe they are
>> geared towards different skill levels and different website
>> needs. So, it would be helpful to know what your needs are for us
>> to make a good recommendation. If you are building a website for
>> an NFB affiliate, then I would ask the group about the nfb
>> template designs which were up for discussion at the webmasters
>> meeting. Having a template and modules for drupal pre-configured
>> to meet the needs of most NFB affiliates would catapolt Drupal
>> into the lead as a platform for developing for the NFB. I would
>> even consider porting our pmwiki site over if the feature set is
>> close to what we want.
>
>> Let us know what you're looking for in a site, and we'll try to
>> help you figure out what meets your needs.
>
>> Best,
>
>> Erik
>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Peter Feysa, III. via Nfb-web
>>> <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been reading the latest email messages from this list
>>> and it seems like you favor Druple over WordPress. Please tell
>>> me the pros and cons. I am trying to decide which is best.
>>> Alsok, which screen reader works best with the two? NVDA or
>>> JAWS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Peter Michael Feysa, III.
>>>
>>> Executor Director of Emerald Coast Lighthouse
>>>
>>> MCSE, MCP, CIW, A+ CompTIA
>>>
>>> Bachelor of Arts International Studies / Computer Science
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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