[Nfb-web] Site Navigation
Charles Buggs
cbuggs at me.com
Thu Jun 30 17:27:13 UTC 2016
Hi Pete and Everyone,
I don't think we were saying the NFB website is inaccessible or difficult, but the design is almost 10 years old and way out of date.
My comments were not intended in any way to be overly critical or negative, but were meant to be constructive criticism. I understand that some in the Federation are overly critical of NFB headquarters and I can assure you that I am not one of them.
It was suggested that a plan needs to be developed, so I am doing just that and working with a couple other Federationists on developing a plan to move forward in a way that would benefit the entire organization.
Chuck Buggs
Web Developer
608-352-9176
cbuggs at me.com
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Peter Donahue via NFB-Web <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Arthur and everyone,
>
> One thing I have never had trouble with is navigating the NFB Website. I always modeled the Websites I built on its structure. Perhaps some of the problem is folks not using their screen reader's keyboard shortcuts and navigation features. I use the JFW "Links List" function quite often and it gets me to where I need to go on a Website quickly. If I want to read the Braille Monitor once on the homepage I activate this feature with the Jaws Key+F7, hit the letter "P" to land on the "Publications Link, and hit "Enter" to activate the link. I repeat the same process once on the "Publications Page this time using the Letter "B" as in Braille Monitor and hit enter. Voilla! I'm on the access page for The Braille Monitor. It's just a matter of finding the issue I wish to read and hitting "Enter" to go to that issue's homepage. H and shift+H do wonders for moving up and down Web pages by header and the NfB's Website contains lots of headers. Seemingly awful Websites some feel are impossible to navigate are quite navigable with a screen reader if one invests in learning all of the screen reader's navigation commands. All the best for a great Fourth of July.
>
> Peter Donahue
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> Arthur Jacobs via NFB-Web wrote:
>> I wonder, is the navigation super tedious if you use the jump menu? I always assumed its purpose was to simplify navigation, especially for a user who knows what they are looking for. For users who are just exploring, I don't think they realize how many times they've clicked to get to where they got. Please don't misconstrue this to mean navigation shouldn't be as streamlined as possible. Perhaps folks have one ideas about how the main site's navigation could be improved.
>>
>> Arthur Jacobs
>> NFBNY
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Gabe Vega via NFB-Web <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly my point. The webmaster or web department our IT department that the NFB have is atrocious. Look at their current website it is the most God awful thing I've ever experienced. You have to click about 15 times in order to read one braille monitor issue. It's really awful but to keep on topic. Here's another idea. Fix your own website before you try and fix other websites and me. And I am really staying on topic. Because excess ability is fine. But usability is another thing. The NFB main website is not a musical. It's a horrible user experience
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Bryan Schulz via Nfb-web <nfb-web at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The only choice I didn't try was nvda.
>>>> After a complaint, the webmaster changed the combo lists to something that jaws can navigate.
>>>> This shouldn't have even been a problem if the webmaster tested work while using any flavor of speech!
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfb-web [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Nfb-web
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 12:59 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Webmaster's List'
>>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] FW: Notes from last meeting and Webmasters Meeting Agenda
>>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen the combos you mention, but I would be curious to know if you have tried them with different web browsers and also whether you've tried them with NVDA. There seem to be more and more cases where certain combinations of screen readers and web browsers work differently, and where possible, we need to hold screen reader developers accountable when appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfb-web [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via Nfb-web
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:26 AM
>>>> To: 'NFB Webmaster's List' <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] FW: Notes from last meeting and Webmasters Meeting Agenda
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the drupal template,
>>>> Why does it take so long to actually get the template after it is announced on lists?
>>>> How easy is it for state webmasters to tweak it to make their own changes?
>>>> Why would the national office send out a template that uses combo lists not accessible by jaws users?
>>>> Why can't the national office have training sessions in various cities to provide training instead of ending up with sites that continually have problems caused by volunteers who struggle to make it work when they don't completely know what to fix?
>>>> Perhaps these are just local irks.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nfb-web [mailto:nfb-web-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wunder via Nfb-web
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 5:35 AM
>>>> To: nfb-web at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Gary Wunder
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-web] FW: Notes from last meeting and Webmasters Meeting Agenda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Michael Hansen [mailto:mhansen4 at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 9:06 PM
>>>> To: NFB Internet Support Team - Members
>>>> Subject: Notes from last meeting and Webmasters Meeting Agenda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had a short meeting on Monday July 13th. We got an update on the new Drupal / Word Press Affiliate web template. We also ran through the agenda for the webmasters meeting. So as a quick reminder here we go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Logistics:
>>>>
>>>> - The national office can provide a Mixer, Mic, Speaker and, Laptop. Rachel will make this request of John Berggren.
>>>>
>>>> - Gary Wunder will provide internet hot spot so that the laptop will have internet access.
>>>>
>>>> - Rachel will log the laptop into Skype on her account and Mike Hansen will connect from Lincoln.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time and Location:
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>>>> 8:00 - 9:30 pm—WEBMASTERS MEETING
>>>>
>>>> Suwannee 20, Level 2
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agenda:
>>>>
>>>> Plans for National Convention Webmasters Meeting:
>>>>
>>>> - Topic Outline (1 and a half hours to fill)
>>>>
>>>> o IST update
>>>>
>>>> § Facebook Audit
>>>>
>>>> § Website Template
>>>>
>>>> § Legal Document
>>>>
>>>> o Danielle Trevino - Discuss Affiliate Social Media accounts
>>>>
>>>> § Facebook
>>>>
>>>> § Twitter
>>>>
>>>> § Possibly Periscope
>>>>
>>>> - Solicit volunteer webmasters
>>>>
>>>> - Discuss available resources
>>>>
>>>> - Q & A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone for you efforts and help.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Let me know if anyone has any questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hansen
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