[Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution

Sat Dec 6 03:06:06 UTC 2008

Deepa Garraya authored the resolution. 

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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution

I believe that's what the technology committee is supposed to do.  That is,
evaluate if a website is "inaccessible" and if so start a dialog with the
website authors.

I believe that several people have sent feedback to facebook with no result.

Who authored the resolution?  I'm afraid I've forgotten.

Jim

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 05:24:30PM -0800, Angela fowler wrote:
> Have Facebook or Myspace, to anyone's knowledge, even been approached 
> about accessibility yet?
> It could be, if we build a strong case that the sites aren't 
> accessible and provide practical solutions to this problem that these 
> guys will work with us. In that case, legal action wouldn't be necessary.
> If they have been approached, and they have refused to work with us 
> however, then maybe we should break out the law books.
> 
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> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:32 PM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
> 
> I agree with you Brian.  And the intent of a facebook suit would also 
> be to bridge the gap.  However, Target, was a cutting edge decision 
> that barely made it through by the skin of its teeth.  The judge 
> narrowly held that only those web-based services that have some 
> connection to the physical store are covered by the ADA.  Without this 
> nexus, a judge would have to go out on a serious limb, against 
> standing law to re-interpret the language of the ADA to include 
> websites.  Bottom line, a facebook suit is possible, but we would be 
> seriously pushing our luck.  A suit against facebook could be so 
> radically distinguishable from Target that it would go against us.  A 
> bad decision in a facebook case might prevent us from nudging the 
> Target logic to the next baby step.  Say, applying the ADA to all 
> web-based services that are even related to a physical location.  A suit
against facebook would skip this step and might slam the door on pushing the
Target logic forward a bit.
> 
> 
> My last post was focusing on the potential success of a facebook suit, 
> given no physical location whatsoever and high probability of user 
> error.  We really need a federal amendment to the ADA or at least some 
> regs/guidelines that incorporate websites into the ADA on some level.  
> I would love to see a requirement that websites with a certain traffic 
> amount or sales volume be required to comply with the ADA.  What a 
> Washington Seminar issue that would be for next year...
> 
> Regards,
> Tim      
> 
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> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Miller
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:03 AM
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> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I think part of the intent of the Target lawsuit was to try and 
> establish the principle of online sites as facilities equivalent to 
> brick and mortar stores, therefore being covered under the ADA, 
> addressing the point you succinctly make below.
> 
> 
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> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:06 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
> 
> Unlike Target.com, there is no Brick and Mortar physical Facebook 
> store to link a law suit to facebook.  The Target suit was only 
> successful because they  have physical stores which are in fact 
> covered by the ADA.  Without physical stores overlapping the web-based 
> services, there isn't much good law to base a suit upon.  So far, the 
> reach of the ADA to web-only services is extremely limited.
> 
> That being said, updating to the latest version of your browser 
> (Internet Explorer 7, Firefox etc.)and the Flash player plug-in 
> version 10 makes a big difference in accessibility of facebook.  Also, 
> Jim Barber mentioned on another list that m.facebook.com is another 
> good alternative way to access facebook.
> 
> I did have one question for the list though:  For those using facebook 
> with some success, I am wondering if the chat function is accessible.  
> As far as I can tell, the chat function isn't usable, even though I 
> can access most other functions.  Jim?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
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> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez, 
> NOMC
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:32 PM
> To: NFB of California List
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering what we've done about the social networking website 
> resolution.
> 
> I have desperately tried to learn the layout of the new FaceBook, but 
> I swear the page is refreshing. Plus, certain aspects of the page just 
> don't read well with JAWS. for instance, JAWS will say, "---- has 
> accepted your friend request." I have no idea who may have accepted my 
> friend request because JAWS doesn't read it. But something is there.
> 
> It is getting to be quite frustrating especially since many groups, 
> organizations, etc. are on FaceBook. My high school class reunion is 
> starting to organize on FaceBook and I can't access everything.
> 
> If we sued Target, why aren't we suing FaceBook?
> 
> LM
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