[Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution

Mon Dec 8 21:41:10 UTC 2008

Hi Angela,
Could you please e-mail me to my private e-mail. julietcody at cox.net
Thanks,
JC
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From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution


>I don't believe so. I think it just broadens and clarifies the definition 
>of
> Disability.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Brian Miller
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:44 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
> Thanks Tim.
>
> I wonder if the newly reauthorized ADA (passed this fall) may have 
> anything
> to say about this  question of online environments.
>
> Brian M
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Tim Elder
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:32 PM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
> I agree with you Brian.  And the intent of a facebook suit would also be 
> to
> bridge the gap.  However, Target, was a cutting edge decision that barely
> made it through by the skin of its teeth.  The judge narrowly held that 
> only
> those web-based services that have some connection to the physical store 
> are
> covered by the ADA.  Without this nexus, a judge would have to go out on a
> serious limb, against standing law to re-interpret the language of the ADA
> to include websites.  Bottom line, a facebook suit is possible, but we 
> would
> be seriously pushing our luck.  A suit against facebook could be so
> radically distinguishable from Target that it would go against us.  A bad
> decision in a facebook case might prevent us from nudging the Target logic
> to the next baby step.  Say, applying the ADA to all web-based services 
> that
> are even related to a physical location.  A suit against facebook would 
> skip
> this step and might slam the door on pushing the Target logic forward a 
> bit.
>
>
> My last post was focusing on the potential success of a facebook suit, 
> given
> no physical location whatsoever and high probability of user error.  We
> really need a federal amendment to the ADA or at least some 
> regs/guidelines
> that incorporate websites into the ADA on some level.  I would love to see 
> a
> requirement that websites with a certain traffic amount or sales volume be
> required to comply with the ADA.  What a Washington Seminar issue that 
> would
> be for next year...
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Brian Miller
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:03 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I think part of the intent of the Target lawsuit was to try and establish
> the principle of online sites as facilities equivalent to brick and mortar
> stores, therefore being covered under the ADA, addressing the point you
> succinctly make below.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Tim Elder
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:06 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
> Unlike Target.com, there is no Brick and Mortar physical Facebook store to
> link a law suit to facebook.  The Target suit was only successful because
> they  have physical stores which are in fact covered by the ADA.  Without
> physical stores overlapping the web-based services, there isn't much good
> law to base a suit upon.  So far, the reach of the ADA to web-only 
> services
> is extremely limited.
>
> That being said, updating to the latest version of your browser (Internet
> Explorer 7, Firefox etc.)and the Flash player plug-in version 10 makes a 
> big
> difference in accessibility of facebook.  Also, Jim Barber mentioned on
> another list that m.facebook.com is another good alternative way to access
> facebook.
>
> I did have one question for the list though:  For those using facebook 
> with
> some success, I am wondering if the chat function is accessible.  As far 
> as
> I can tell, the chat function isn't usable, even though I can access most
> other functions.  Jim?
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:32 PM
> To: NFB of California List
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] social networking website resolution
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering what we've done about the social networking website
> resolution.
>
> I have desperately tried to learn the layout of the new FaceBook, but I
> swear the page is refreshing. Plus, certain aspects of the page just don't
> read well with JAWS. for instance, JAWS will say, "---- has accepted your
> friend request." I have no idea who may have accepted my friend request
> because JAWS doesn't read it. But something is there.
>
> It is getting to be quite frustrating especially since many groups,
> organizations, etc. are on FaceBook. My high school class reunion is
> starting to organize on FaceBook and I can't access everything.
>
> If we sued Target, why aren't we suing FaceBook?
>
> LM
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