[Nfbc-info] [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter

Sat Jan 31 22:16:22 UTC 2009

Hi Peter. Regarding this comment. Two problems. First AOL was then this is 
now the sands of time continue to flow and things change including the 
average ability of the blind computer user as well as the average desires of 
those users.
NFB is all ready on all three of these sites.  Anything we do including 
pulling the NFB presence away is after the fact.
The argument I might use in court against you is all ready there.
Besides doesn't it stand to reason that a big organization of the blind 
which raises millions of dollars a year and has a PR budget would hire 
someone to get by the captcha's if they needed too?
That still wouldn't mean the site was accessible to the membership at home.
Way before Textbooks were available in timely fashion to all college or 
elementary students the NFB published print literature.
Presence on the big three social networks it could be argued is to generate 
sighted participation through donations, promotion of sighted volunteerism 
etc not to necessarily connect the blind users who for the most part are 
somewhat connected through the organizations anyway.
But, if they aren't they could be connected because a sighted friend saw the 
NFB sites.
Television some might argue isn't totally accessible to the blind but we 
still appear on shows and place adds there.
Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter

> Hello Angela and listers,
>
>    Those we can use without any accessibility issues. I'm not sure it's a
> good idea for us to establish a presence on an outfit  we may end up 
> having
> to sue to make them improve the accessibility of their registration 
> process
> and other site features. I don't care if the entire galaxy gathers there. 
> We
> never had official NFB Accounts on AOL so why put them on social network
> sites with accessibility issues. And particularly  if we're promoting Web
> site accessibility. Let the SNS's wave our presence on their services in 
> our
> face in the state or federal courts.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
> I'm hard of hearing. The Twitter Captcha sounds like when a cassette gets
> jammed in one of those library of congress cassette players. If I'd 
> listened
> to it 20 times and kept guessing, I'm sure I would have gotten it
> eventually, but is that really accessible? I've seen sites with clear 
> enough
> Catpchas that I could just type as I listened.
> I agree with Michael though that in order to further our cause we
> need to get our message out into mainstreamed media, including social
> networking sites. We'll just have to keep after them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Michael Peterson
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:38 PM
> To: NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>    Hi Dave. the only problem is the captchea that twitter uses tries to
> duplicate a visual one in a sound format. this isn't a reasonable
> alternative for those of us who have any kind of hearing impairment 
> because
> we can't hear the letters any cleare than we can see them.
> Either way for us the site would be unaccessible without assistance.
> For a blind person with unimpaired hearing maybe the sound isn't a problem
> I've never had that luxury so I can't say but we can't discern it.
> Security concerns are what they are the problem being security is fluid.
> Give me a secure site and in time a hacker will compromise it than the 
> whole
> format has to change again.
> If a consistent standard isn't set the day might come when those of you 
> with
> lack of sight but normal hearing will be faced once again with no access.
> Mike Peterson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
> Peter:
>
> It seems to me that it is not CAPTCHA's per se
> that we are opposed to, but visual requirements
> without reasonable alternatives.  Twitter does have an audio CAPTCHA.
>
> These sites have reasonable security concerns and
> it is their right and responsibility to take
> steps to make them secure.  As long as they
> provide us with reasonable alternatives we should
> not oppose their visual approaches.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:59 PM 1/30/2009, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>>     I'm sorry folks but if this organization opposes the use of CAPTCHA 
>> as
>
>> a
>>means of site security it has no business putting its presences on these
>>sites that require blind people to use them; particularly if the audio
>>quality is horrible and the person is both blind  and deaf. I'm all for
>>establishing presences on social networks but not on those that require 
>>the
>>use of a CAPTCHA as a part of registration process. As far as I'm 
>>concerned
>>we're shooting ourselves in the foot if this continues!!
>>
>>Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Danielsen, Chris (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)"
>><CDanielsen at nfb.org>
>>To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:58 PM
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Fellow Federationists:
>>
>>
>>I am writing with exciting news! You can now
>>follow the latest news and information from the
>>National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of
>>the Nation's Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our
>>Twitter updates, go to
>><http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice.
>>You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.
>>
>>
>>
>>Twitter is a social networking site that allows
>>you to keep track of your friends, family, and
>>interests online.  In addition to signing up for
>>Web updates for the National Federation of the
>>Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter
>>updates via text message on your mobile
>>phone.  And while you're at it, follow the 2009
>>Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by
>>going to
>><http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy
>>
>>
>>
>>We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter
>>feed-and don't hesitate to send us a direct
>>message if you have questions or comments about what you read.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sincerely:
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Danielsen
>>
>>Director of Public Relations
>>
>>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>>
>>
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