[Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?

Fri Aug 10 01:21:46 UTC 2012

All,

Scary still if they plan to include audible traffic signals.  As someone
else pointed out if sound is used to indicate the changing of the light that
could be one thing, but I would think as we all have seen traffic noise will
tell us the same thing.  If, on the other hand, all lights at the
intersection have audible signals which activate at the same time how easy
would it be to determine the direction to  cross?

I recognize that a "scramble" signal can present difficulties especially if
you don't know the area and suddenly encounter it.  I will be interested to
see what suggestions people have for this situation.  Give me a good
transporter with the command "beam me up Scotty" any day. 

Best,

Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 05:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?

Hi Hoby,
the intersection is located in Rohnert Park by Ranch Cotati High School.
Melissa

--- On Thu, 8/9/12, Hoby Wedler <hobywedler at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Hoby Wedler <hobywedler at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 3:05 PM

Melissa,

Which intersection is it?
-- Hoby

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Haney
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?

We have an intersectionlike this in Sonoma county. I have never used it, but
it seems safe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2012, at 2:29 PM, "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
wrote:

> The asking of the question demonstrates the scary part I think.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Jim Barbour
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 01:22 PM
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> Cc: NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
>
> I don't understand the scary part. Basically, all traffic stops, and 
> pedestrians can cross in whichever direction they want. This sounds 
> like a good thing. The question is, what do we suggest the city do 
> about the audible traffic signals?  Should we take them out? Should 
> they all sound when pedestrians can cross? Is there a different solution?
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2012, at 4:12 PM, "Michael Hingson" 
> <info at michaelhingson.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This does sound scary.  Crossing any which way all at once?  Hmmmm.  
>> I suggest someone contact Mark Riccobono at the Jernigan Institute.
>> Mark would know about any relevant technology.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:53 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
>>
>> this sounds like an accident waiting to happen. For those of us who 
>> were trained in mobility before audible devices this sounds like a 
>> potential disaster. I'm not familiar with this concept. This sounds 
>> about as bad as roundabouts for pedestrians.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred's ol' XP" <regenerative at earthlink.net>
>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:28 AM
>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Scramble Pedestrian Intersections?
>>
>>
>>> Hi NFB-Cal'ers,
>>> We just got our first "Scramble" crossing along the coast of 
>>> Northern San Diego County.  (That's an all-stop for vehicles, no 
>>> right on red, and pedestrians can cross any which way, including
diagonal.
>>> As an afterthought, the city traffic people asked the Beach Cities 
>>> Chapter for input on how to change their Audible Pedestrian Signals.
>>> How do y'all do it in the big cities?
>>> What do your gadgets usually say or do?
>>> I used them in New Zealand and Australia, but was cruising around 
>>> with locals.
>>> Thanks for your input!
>>> Fred Chambers
>>>
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