[Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines

Chela Robles cdrobles693 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 21 18:49:05 UTC 2012


Now I have to agree with Jim on this there are more pressing matters 
such as finding employment...speaking of which, I'm wondering in general 
how the protest against Goodwill is doing, when it comes to paying 
people with disabilities less than minimum wage...or is that two 
different issues, nevertheless, they have to deal with employing people 
with disabilities. I do ask for help when required or needed, such as 
operating touch screens like the ones at my local Safeway.

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On 9/21/2012 11:08 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
> I want to climb on my soap box and talk a bit about this.
>
> The NFB teaches us is that independently means that you get a coke when you want a coke.  You may need to plan ahead a bit, e.g bring someone with you. You may instead need to improvise, e.g. ask another customer or counter person to help you.  Neither of these methods show a lack of independence.  Deciding not to get a drink from the machine because you would have to ask for help is what demonstrates a lack of independence.
>
> I'm proud of our affiliate members.  I agree that we all demonstrate independence on a daily basis.  We should be careful not to get bogged down in he inconvenient  There are too many critical issues around the obstacles that we blind people face getting employment, schooling, and training.
>
> All my best,
>
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 01:05:21AM -0700, Miguel Mendez wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Lol. I'm thinking Melissa knows that a blind person can use these machines
>> with sighted assistance. Who wouldn't know that. Wait, let me be
>> specific--who in the NFB wouldn't know that. I'm sure she meant that she
>> believes no blind person could independently use these machines. She
>> probably didn't worry about being so specific because she figured we'd all
>> know what she meant. I'd assume the same if I were her, given the listserv
>> we're posting on.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:06 PM
>> To: NFB of California List
>> Cc: NFB of California List
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>
>> I cannot agree with the statement that there is no possible way for a blind
>> person to use these machines. The Way for a blind person to use these
>> machines, is to ask for help. This is not a problem, it's just the fact of
>> life.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Melissa Haney <frommissy2u at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found them in the middle of the mall. There is no possible way for a
>> blind person to use these machines.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:16 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read about them when they first came out and they are totally
>> inacdessible. There are some restaurants that have them but I haven't had a
>> chance to patronize them. We need to address issues like this because if we
>> don't they will become more prevalent. I'm still having trouble with Fresh
>> and Easy's web site and have not been able to register to receive their
>> discounts or read about their specials on their web site due to all of the
>> graphic content. I have also brought these issues to the attention of the
>> store manager at the one I shop at and he was going to address their
>> management but I haven't been there in a while.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Haney"
>> <frommissy2u at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:33 PM
>>>> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Inaccessible Coke Machines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ran across the new Coke machines??? They are touch screen and
>> totally inaccessible! I think it would be a good idea to look into this!
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Melissa Sanders
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC"
>> <lmartinez217 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Lisamaria Martinez, NOMC" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: September 19, 2012 4:37:52 PM PDT
>>>>>>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.or, Blind Parents Mailing List
>> <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Check out my blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to share with all of you my blog. I just started about a
>> month ago and my vary first post was about the protest in August. Anyhow, I
>> invite you to read and comment:
>>>>>>> http://bayareablindmom.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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