[Nfbc-info] Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 13
Jordan Mirander
jordanmirander at icloud.com
Sat Dec 19 01:02:31 UTC 2015
How can a blind person be considered a licensed driver? Aren't all of these driverless cars computerized? Don't all computers malfunction or break at some point in time? When that happens a sighted person must be there to take over The controls of the car into drive the vehicle. I do not mean to in anyway discriminate against the blind as I myself am blind, and would personally love one. I am just being realistic. If I saw a driverless car that could reset itself, and turn on, and off all, every single, computerized gadget while on the move then I will Believe that we can win then overturn the legislation that has been drafted. On a sidenote the San Diego auto show is coming up December 31 through the third of January
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> 2. Re: driverless car (Tim Elder)
> 3. Re: driverless car (Chad Allen)
> 4. Re: driverless car (Lauren Merryfield)
> 5. Re: driverless car (Jim Barbour)
> 6. Re: driverless car (Michael Hingson)
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:18:00 -0800
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
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> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced that
> would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
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> Michael Hingson
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> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> Hi,
> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars will
> require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes wrong. How can
> we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind person could be
> considered a driver?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Blessings in Jesus' name:
> My digital evangelism blog is at:
> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2 I
> will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my
> mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear
> thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
>
>
>
>
>
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> Mirander via Nfbc-info
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> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking dinner
> because of course he would have to go get him, end it impossible for a
> person to be at in two places at the same time I said eventually I can go
> get him because there is the whole idea and topic of the autonomist car Sent
> from my iPhone
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>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
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>> Nancy,
>> That was very cute.
>> Here is another one:
>> Frida
>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20christm
>> as.mp3
>>
>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most
>>> dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a
>>> trainer may soon would be there.
>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the
>>> end
> of his day.
>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>> Christmas before going home.
>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers so
>>> happy and eager to talk.
>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at the
>>> sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>> their
> Christmas tree.
>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>> on
> growing.
>>> He?d better go look.
>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way to
>>> a hot coffee pot.
>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose with
>>> a
> shake!
>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>> and took in the view.
>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their jobs,
>>> the blind people they led.
>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others rejoiced
>>> in their deafening howl.
>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
> excitable yips.
>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled up
>>> his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>> It?s
> been one of my dreams.?
>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little kitty,
>>> that?s an empty pack.?
>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at
>>> the school, just waiting to be.
>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center tree
>>> ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say something
>>> better, what you?re going to do.
>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise and
>>> correction, gentle and fair.
>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses and
>>> subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
> despite your dismay.
>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad, But
>>> their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a
>>> team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in, because
>>> you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets in
>>> a home with a dad and a mom.
>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive
>>> such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>> each dog again and again.
>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and step
>>> out
> of the way.
>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy to
>>> a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave
>>> as he slipped on his gloves.
>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>> (Author Unknown)
>>>
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>> ***************************************** to to that he responded
>> that
> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order for
> that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody without a
> licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to fight and he said
> that they're going to be defeated because of all computer glitches or fake
> starting and shuttingg down the car.
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:33:06 -0800
> From: "Tim Elder" <tim at timeldermusic.com>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
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> The DMV proposed draft regulations. An opportunity to provide comments to
> the DMV will be available at hearings in January and February. NFB or the
> CA affiliate should join forces with Google and be present at those
> hearings.
> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DMV-wants-driverless-cars-to-have-lice
> nsed-drivers-6703538.php
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Hingson via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:18 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Cc: Michael Hingson
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced that
> would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> Hi,
> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars will
> require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes wrong. How can
> we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind person could be
> considered a driver?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Blessings in Jesus' name:
> My digital evangelism blog is at:
> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2 I
> will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my
> mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear
> thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
> Mirander via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:16 PM
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking dinner
> because of course he would have to go get him, end it impossible for a
> person to be at in two places at the same time I said eventually I can go
> get him because there is the whole idea and topic of the autonomist car Sent
> from my iPhone
>
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>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas (Frida Aizenman)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
>> Message-ID: <566B1C08.5040700 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Nancy,
>> That was very cute.
>> Here is another one:
>> Frida
>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20christm
>> as.mp3
>>
>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most
>>> dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a
>>> trainer may soon would be there.
>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the
>>> end
> of his day.
>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>> Christmas before going home.
>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers so
>>> happy and eager to talk.
>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at the
>>> sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>> their
> Christmas tree.
>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>> on
> growing.
>>> He?d better go look.
>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way to
>>> a hot coffee pot.
>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose with
>>> a
> shake!
>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>> and took in the view.
>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their jobs,
>>> the blind people they led.
>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others rejoiced
>>> in their deafening howl.
>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
> excitable yips.
>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled up
>>> his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>> It?s
> been one of my dreams.?
>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little kitty,
>>> that?s an empty pack.?
>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at
>>> the school, just waiting to be.
>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center tree
>>> ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say something
>>> better, what you?re going to do.
>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise and
>>> correction, gentle and fair.
>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses and
>>> subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
> despite your dismay.
>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad, But
>>> their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a
>>> team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in, because
>>> you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets in
>>> a home with a dad and a mom.
>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive
>>> such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>> each dog again and again.
>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and step
>>> out
> of the way.
>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy to
>>> a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave
>>> as he slipped on his gloves.
>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>> (Author Unknown)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> End of Nfbc-info Digest, Vol 127, Issue 8
>> ***************************************** to to that he responded
>> that
> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order for
> that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody without a
> licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to fight and he said
> that they're going to be defeated because of all computer glitches or fake
> starting and shuttingg down the car.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:47:34 -0800
> From: Chad Allen <chad at chadallenmagic.com>
> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
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> The state legislation been considered by the NFB of California?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Tim Elder via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> The DMV proposed draft regulations. An opportunity to provide comments to
>> the DMV will be available at hearings in January and February. NFB or the
>> CA affiliate should join forces with Google and be present at those
>> hearings.
>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DMV-wants-driverless-cars-to-have-lice
>> nsed-drivers-6703538.php
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Hingson via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:18 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>> Cc: Michael Hingson
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced that
>> would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
>> Merryfield via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars will
>> require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes wrong. How can
>> we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind person could be
>> considered a driver?
>> Thanks,
>> Lauren
>>
>> Blessings in Jesus' name:
>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2 I
>> will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my
>> mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear
>> thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>> Mirander via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:16 PM
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
>> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
>> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking dinner
>> because of course he would have to go get him, end it impossible for a
>> person to be at in two places at the same time I said eventually I can go
>> get him because there is the whole idea and topic of the autonomist car Sent
>> from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas (Frida Aizenman)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
>>> Message-ID: <566B1C08.5040700 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Nancy,
>>> That was very cute.
>>> Here is another one:
>>> Frida
>>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20christm
>>> as.mp3
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most
>>>> dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a
>>>> trainer may soon would be there.
>>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the
>>>> end
>> of his day.
>>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>>> Christmas before going home.
>>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers so
>>>> happy and eager to talk.
>>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at the
>>>> sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>>> their
>> Christmas tree.
>>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>>> on
>> growing.
>>>> He?d better go look.
>>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way to
>>>> a hot coffee pot.
>>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose with
>>>> a
>> shake!
>>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>>> and took in the view.
>>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their jobs,
>>>> the blind people they led.
>>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others rejoiced
>>>> in their deafening howl.
>>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
>> excitable yips.
>>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled up
>>>> his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>>> It?s
>> been one of my dreams.?
>>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little kitty,
>>>> that?s an empty pack.?
>>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at
>>>> the school, just waiting to be.
>>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center tree
>>>> ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say something
>>>> better, what you?re going to do.
>>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise and
>>>> correction, gentle and fair.
>>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses and
>>>> subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
>> despite your dismay.
>>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad, But
>>>> their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a
>>>> team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in, because
>>>> you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets in
>>>> a home with a dad and a mom.
>>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive
>>>> such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>>> each dog again and again.
>>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and step
>>>> out
>> of the way.
>>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy to
>>>> a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave
>>>> as he slipped on his gloves.
>>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>>> (Author Unknown)
>>>>
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>>> ***************************************** to to that he responded
>>> that
>> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order for
>> that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody without a
>> licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to fight and he said
>> that they're going to be defeated because of all computer glitches or fake
>> starting and shuttingg down the car.
>>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:11:36 -0800
> From: "Lauren Merryfield" <lauren at catlines.com>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
> Message-ID: <002e01d138e5$9ad59590$d080c0b0$@catlines.com>
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>
> Hi,
> What I heard on the news yesterday was that it was a done deal that the cars
> will require a steering wheel and a driver.
> Thanks
> Lauren
>
> Blessings in Jesus? name:
> My digital evangelism blog is at:
> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it)
> Psalm 34:1-2 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall
> continually be in my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the
> humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.?
> Advice from my cats:?meow when you feel like it.?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
> via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:33 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tim Elder <tim at timeldermusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> The DMV proposed draft regulations. An opportunity to provide comments to
> the DMV will be available at hearings in January and February. NFB or the
> CA affiliate should join forces with Google and be present at those
> hearings.
> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DMV-wants-driverless-cars-to-have-lice
> nsed-drivers-6703538.php
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Hingson via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:18 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List'
> Cc: Michael Hingson
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced that
> would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
> Merryfield via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> Hi,
> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars will
> require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes wrong. How can
> we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind person could be
> considered a driver?
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Blessings in Jesus' name:
> My digital evangelism blog is at:
> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2 I
> will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my
> mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear
> thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
> Mirander via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:16 PM
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking dinner
> because of course he would have to go get him, end it impossible for a
> person to be at in two places at the same time I said eventually I can go
> get him because there is the whole idea and topic of the autonomist car Sent
> from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 12, 2015, at 4:00 AM, nfbc-info-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
>>
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>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas (Frida Aizenman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
>> Message-ID: <566B1C08.5040700 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Nancy,
>> That was very cute.
>> Here is another one:
>> Frida
>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20christm
>> as.mp3
>>
>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most
>>> dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a
>>> trainer may soon would be there.
>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the
>>> end
> of his day.
>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>> Christmas before going home.
>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers so
>>> happy and eager to talk.
>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at the
>>> sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>> their
> Christmas tree.
>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>> on
> growing.
>>> He?d better go look.
>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way to
>>> a hot coffee pot.
>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose with
>>> a
> shake!
>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>> and took in the view.
>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their jobs,
>>> the blind people they led.
>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others rejoiced
>>> in their deafening howl.
>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
> excitable yips.
>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled up
>>> his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>> It?s
> been one of my dreams.?
>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little kitty,
>>> that?s an empty pack.?
>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at
>>> the school, just waiting to be.
>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center tree
>>> ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say something
>>> better, what you?re going to do.
>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise and
>>> correction, gentle and fair.
>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses and
>>> subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
> despite your dismay.
>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad, But
>>> their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a
>>> team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in, because
>>> you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets in
>>> a home with a dad and a mom.
>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive
>>> such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>> each dog again and again.
>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and step
>>> out
> of the way.
>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy to
>>> a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave
>>> as he slipped on his gloves.
>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>> (Author Unknown)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nfbc-info mailing list
>>> Nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
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>> ***************************************** to to that he responded
>> that
> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order for
> that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody without a
> licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to fight and he said
> that they're going to be defeated because of all computer glitches or fake
> starting and shuttingg down the car.
>
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:30:18 -0800
> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: Tim Elder via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
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> This article doesn't give the dates or locations for these hearings. Tim, Is this something you can research and get back to us with?
>
> Also, we should think hard about whether to team up with Google on this. I don't have an opinion yet, but there are reasons not to join with Google. I think the key point is do we have arguments to make that are separate from Google's?
>
> There are good reasons for working with Google, they have a strong lobbying organization and have a lot of skin in this particular argument.
>
> On the other hand, Google will certainly dominate the conversation, leaving the message as "Google, along with others, don't like these rules." If we want to make arguments that stand separate from Google's we may want to mount our own lobbying effort.
>
> Since this is a state matter, we'd need to do it ourselves, perhaps with some support from the national office.
>
> Jim
>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 07:33:06AM -0800, Tim Elder via Nfbc-info wrote:
>> The DMV proposed draft regulations. An opportunity to provide comments to
>> the DMV will be available at hearings in January and February. NFB or the
>> CA affiliate should join forces with Google and be present at those
>> hearings.
>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DMV-wants-driverless-cars-to-have-lice
>> nsed-drivers-6703538.php
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>> Hingson via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:18 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>> Cc: Michael Hingson
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced that
>> would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren
>> Merryfield via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars will
>> require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes wrong. How can
>> we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind person could be
>> considered a driver?
>> Thanks,
>> Lauren
>>
>> Blessings in Jesus' name:
>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2 I
>> will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my
>> mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear
>> thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>> Mirander via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:16 PM
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
>> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
>> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking dinner
>> because of course he would have to go get him, end it impossible for a
>> person to be at in two places at the same time I said eventually I can go
>> get him because there is the whole idea and topic of the autonomist car Sent
>> from my iPhone
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas (Frida Aizenman)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
>>> Message-ID: <566B1C08.5040700 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Nancy,
>>> That was very cute.
>>> Here is another one:
>>> Frida
>>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20christm
>>> as.mp3
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most
>>>> dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a
>>>> trainer may soon would be there.
>>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the
>>>> end
>> of his day.
>>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>>> Christmas before going home.
>>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers so
>>>> happy and eager to talk.
>>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at the
>>>> sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>>> their
>> Christmas tree.
>>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>>> on
>> growing.
>>>> He?d better go look.
>>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way to
>>>> a hot coffee pot.
>>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose with
>>>> a
>> shake!
>>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>>> and took in the view.
>>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their jobs,
>>>> the blind people they led.
>>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others rejoiced
>>>> in their deafening howl.
>>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
>> excitable yips.
>>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled up
>>>> his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>>> It?s
>> been one of my dreams.?
>>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little kitty,
>>>> that?s an empty pack.?
>>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at
>>>> the school, just waiting to be.
>>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center tree
>>>> ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say something
>>>> better, what you?re going to do.
>>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise and
>>>> correction, gentle and fair.
>>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses and
>>>> subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
>> despite your dismay.
>>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad, But
>>>> their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a
>>>> team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in, because
>>>> you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets in
>>>> a home with a dad and a mom.
>>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive
>>>> such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>>> each dog again and again.
>>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and step
>>>> out
>> of the way.
>>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy to
>>>> a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave
>>>> as he slipped on his gloves.
>>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>>> (Author Unknown)
>>>>
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>>> ***************************************** to to that he responded
>>> that
>> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order for
>> that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody without a
>> licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to fight and he said
>> that they're going to be defeated because of all computer glitches or fake
>> starting and shuttingg down the car.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:03:37 -0800
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
> Message-ID: <01e801d138f5$40d10c40$c27324c0$@michaelhingson.com>
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> I agree with Jim that we should not put all our eggs in the Google basket.
> At the same time we know that there is technology that makes it possible for
> blind people to drive, www.blinddriverchallenge.org. There is no doubt that
> we should mount our own effort and also find ways to work with Google. If,
> however, California will not back down on requiring a driver behind the
> wheel then we need to get Google to employ the NFB technology to open the
> doors for blind people to become eligible to drive, at least in emergency
> situations.
>
> It may be that the "need a license to use a autonomous vehicle" ship has
> saled. I suspect that no matter what the hearings are somewhat of a pro
> forma show. However, we can be the game changer by providing evidence that
> blind people can participate and use driverless cars. Think of the press and
> benefits to all of us.
>
> We need to have a collective discussion among ourselves soon on a strategy.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Barbour via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:30 AM
> To: Tim Elder via Nfbc-info <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>
> This article doesn't give the dates or locations for these hearings. Tim, Is
> this something you can research and get back to us with?
>
> Also, we should think hard about whether to team up with Google on this. I
> don't have an opinion yet, but there are reasons not to join with Google. I
> think the key point is do we have arguments to make that are separate from
> Google's?
>
> There are good reasons for working with Google, they have a strong lobbying
> organization and have a lot of skin in this particular argument.
>
> On the other hand, Google will certainly dominate the conversation, leaving
> the message as "Google, along with others, don't like these rules." If we
> want to make arguments that stand separate from Google's we may want to
> mount our own lobbying effort.
>
> Since this is a state matter, we'd need to do it ourselves, perhaps with
> some support from the national office.
>
> Jim
>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 07:33:06AM -0800, Tim Elder via Nfbc-info wrote:
>> The DMV proposed draft regulations. An opportunity to provide
>> comments to the DMV will be available at hearings in January and
>> February. NFB or the CA affiliate should join forces with Google and
>> be present at those hearings.
>> http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/DMV-wants-driverless-cars-to-hav
>> e-lice
>> nsed-drivers-6703538.php
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Michael Hingson via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:18 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List'
>> Cc: Michael Hingson
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> On the news last evening I heard that legislation has been introduced
>> that would require a licensed driver behind the wheel in California.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lauren Merryfield via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:59 AM
>> To: 'NFB of California List' <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lauren Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just heard on the news today, Wednesday the 16th, that such cars
>> will require a steering wheel and a driver in case something goes
>> wrong. How can we overturn that or have it be recognized that a blind
>> person could be considered a driver?
>> Thanks,
>> Lauren
>>
>> Blessings in Jesus' name:
>> My digital evangelism blog is at:
>> www dot ask in jesus name dot org (you need to retype it) Psalm 34:1-2
>> I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in
>> my mouth. My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall
>> hear thereof, and be glad. Advice from my cats:"meow when you feel like
> it."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jordan Mirander via Nfbc-info
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:16 PM
>> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jordan Mirander <jordanmirander at icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] driverless car
>>
>> I have a question. My brother Joe and I had t his conversation last night.
>> He had to pick up his son from school after a wrestling tournament. He
>> didn't want him calling him while he was in the middle of cooking
>> dinner because of course he would have to go get him, end it
>> impossible for a person to be at in two places at the same time I said
>> eventually I can go get him because there is the whole idea and topic
>> of the autonomist car Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas (Frida Aizenman)
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:55:04 -0800
>>> From: Frida Aizenman <nfbfrida at gmail.com>
>>> To: NFB of California List <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Guide Dogs Night Before Christmas
>>> Message-ID: <566B1C08.5040700 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Nancy,
>>> That was very cute.
>>> Here is another one:
>>> Frida
>>> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/audio/twas%20the%20night%20before%20chris
>>> tm
>>> as.mp3
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2015 7:44 PM, Nancy Lynn via Nfbc-info wrote:
>>>> Guide Dogs? Night Before Christmas
>>>> Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with
>>>> most dogs asleep having eaten their fill.
>>>> The Labs were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions
>>>> of NylaBones danced in their heads.
>>>> The Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor ? some twitched in
>>>> their sleep, some started to snore.
>>>> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that
>>>> a trainer may soon would be there.
>>>> While up near the window a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at
>>>> the end
>> of his day.
>>>> Tonight would be different, that little cat knew. Something special
>>>> would happen, it had to be true.
>>>> For today as the workers departed to roam, they?d wished Merry
>>>> Christmas before going home.
>>>> The dogs noticed it too in this past week of walks ? the trainers
>>>> so happy and eager to talk.
>>>> In the mall where they worked through the mazes of stores, were
>>>> lights, decorations, distractions galore!
>>>> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some barked at
>>>> the sleigh and the fake looking deer.
>>>> The cat, almost asleep when he first heard the sound, a whoosh
>>>> through the air and a jingle around.
>>>> German Shepherds Pewter, Rachel, Kayla and Este pose in front of
>>>> their
>> Christmas tree.
>>>> Like a dog?s collar makes when the animal shook, but the sound kept
>>>> on
>> growing.
>>>> He?d better go look.
>>>> From up on the ceiling there came a faint thunk, as the kennel cat
>>>> climbed on a high pile of junk.
>>>> When before he?d known people to work on the roof, they?d come down
>>>> the trap door to a chorus of woof!
>>>> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man
>>>> dressed in red made his way right on down.
>>>> He patted the cat, e?r he climbed past his spot, then made his way
>>>> to a hot coffee pot.
>>>> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, and a Golden retriever arose
>>>> with a
>> shake!
>>>> Soon everyone sprang to their paws with loud noise. In spite of the
>>>> din, the old elf kept his poise.
>>>> The pot was plum full of his favorite brew, so he pulled up a chair
>>>> and took in the view.
>>>> The dogs all around him, so carefully bred. He knew well their
>>>> jobs, the blind people they led.
>>>> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others
>>>> rejoiced in their deafening howl.
>>>> Laying a finger in front of his lips, the man bade them cease their
>> excitable yips.
>>>> ?You all may not know me, but I?m Santa Claus.?
>>>> He then stopped and smiled and took a short pause, while he filled
>>>> up his mug with hot liquid and cream. ?I?ve long wanted to stop here.
>>>> It?s
>> been one of my dreams.?
>>>> The cat had climbed down to explore Santa?s sack. ?Yes, little
>>>> kitty, that?s an empty pack.?
>>>> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones
>>>> and gold ones held wide in surprise.
>>>> Some of these dogs, he?d seen just last year, in their pup homes,
>>>> full of holiday cheer.
>>>> He?d seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here
>>>> at the school, just waiting to be.
>>>> Yellow Labs Ardsley and Amity in front of the Rockefeller Center
>>>> tree ?I didn?t bring presents or bones just to chew. I?ll say
>>>> something better, what you?re going to do.
>>>> You?ll all work real hard and the trainers will share both praise
>>>> and correction, gentle and fair.
>>>> You?ll go lots of places and face scary things. You?ll ride buses
>>>> and subways and hear fire sirens ring.
>>>> Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving toward
>>>> danger, not moving toward wrong.
>>>> And then just when you think that this trainer?s the best, the
>>>> kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest, that trainer
>>>> will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over
>> despite your dismay.
>>>> Now the one who will pet you and feed you will be, a blind person,
>>>> someone who can?t see. This man or this woman may see just a tad,
>>>> But their view?s missing parts or the focus is bad.
>>>> So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as
>>>> a team and discover the size ? of this great world we live in,
>>>> because you will go, a million new places with this person, you know.?
>>>> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, Knowing what
>>>> he?d say next might sound kind of rude.
>>>> ?Not all will go on to become canine guides. But your time won?t be
>>>> wasted. You won?t be cast aside.
>>>> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will be pets
>>>> in a home with a dad and a mom.
>>>> All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to
>>>> receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist.?
>>>> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup. As Santa turned,
>>>> smiling broadly at each wide eyed pup.
>>>> ?The best gift of all is to give something back. That?s why there?s
>>>> nothing for any of you inside my pack.?
>>>> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched
>>>> each dog again and again.
>>>> ?Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give
>>>> gifts wherever you?re at.
>>>> You might lick a hand that?s had a bad day, or notice a car and
>>>> step out
>> of the way.
>>>> Yellow Lab Doris and black Lab Macbeth pose with Santa Claus You
>>>> might help catch a crook or discover some loot, or bring some joy
>>>> to a tired old man in a funny red suit.
>>>> Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your
>>>> training and trust will always be there.?
>>>> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the
>>>> coffee pot and made ready to move.
>>>> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a
>>>> wave as he slipped on his gloves.
>>>> And all ears were pricked as he flew out of sight. ?Merry Christmas
>>>> to all, and to all a good night!?
>>>> (Author Unknown)
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>>> that
>> they would have to be a licensed driver in the car with you in order
>> for that to happen that no driverless car could you have somebody
>> without a licensed driver I said that's what the NFB is trying to
>> fight and he said that they're going to be defeated because of all
>> computer glitches or fake starting and shuttingg down the car.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:24:15 -0800
> From: Robert Stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] KNFB Reader make the print yours this Holiday
> Season for $74.99
> Message-ID: <20151217232415.rstigile at gmail.com>
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> Dear Federationists,
>
> "Make the print your gift this Christmas with KNFB Reader. KNFB Reader is a mobile app that converts printed text into high quality speech to provide accurate, fast, and efficient access to both single- and multiple-page documents with the tap of a button. Make the print yours and live the life you want! The app is available for iOS and Android devices. From December 21, 2015, through January 4, 2016, you can purchase KNFB Reader for $74.99, 25% off the store price.
>
> Giving KNFB Reader as a gift is easy! You can obtain iTunes or Google Play gift cards at many local retailers such as Target or Walmart, or online at Amazon.com. To redeem iTunes gift cards, open the App Store, scroll down to the bottom of the page under "Featured," and choose "Redeem." You will need to sign in using your Apple ID, and then you will be prompted to use your phone's camera to photograph the bar code on the gift card, or enter the redemption code from the card manually. To redeem a Google Play gift card, choose the Navigation button in the upper left corner, then scroll down and choose "Redeem," and enter the redemption code located on the Google Play gift card.
>
> You can gift KNFB Reader iOS directly to someone by opening the App Store, and searching for KNFB Reader. Once you find the app, select the "Share" button at the top of the screen near the "Back" button, then choose that and then choose "Gift." This will bring up a screen for you to enter the recipient's email address (you will need to use the email address they have linked to their Apple ID). Then you may choose to add a message and set the date to send your gift.
>
> Why use this app? KNFB Reader is an easy, fast, accurate, and efficient text recognition mobile app that delivers near instantaneous results. Tired of being unsure what's been charged to your credit card? Want to know who sent you that package? Need nutritional information from a food label? Find a book that's not available on NLS? Buy a new appliance and want to access the user's manual? KNFB Reader is your go-to: it has reading modes for books, articles, labels, bills, and memos. Worried about getting a good photo of your text as a blind person? KNFB Reader provides a field of view report and tilt guidance for more accurate capturing of print in the photograph, as well as automatic text detection. You'll get the right photo; KNFB Reader will help you. The app allows for high quality digital output to speech or connected Braille displays. The scanned material can be imported as a .jpg or .pdf, or exported in .txt and .html formats. Not much space on your phone? No problem. Use
> cloud storage for your files via Dropbox or Google Drive! The app also has a batch scan mode to process and read multiple-page documents such as manuals or books. Don't let print be out of your reach ever again.
>
> To purchase KNFB Reader, visit www.nfb.org/knfbreader. Make the print yours and live the life you want!
>
> Happy Holidays from your KNFB Reader Team."
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> Robert Stigile
> 818-381-9568
> e-mail: rstigile at gmail.com
> Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California
> President San Fernando Valley Chapter
>
> The national Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want. Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:34:43 -0800
> From: "Juliett Cody" <julietcody at cox.net>
> To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] KNFB Reader make the print yours this Holiday
> Season for $74.99
> Message-ID: <003801d1394d$6ab7f200$4027d600$@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks Robert, miss you.
> JC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Stigile via Nfbc-info
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 3:24 PM
> To: nfbc-info at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Robert Stigile
> Subject: [Nfbc-info] KNFB Reader make the print yours this Holiday Season
> for $74.99
>
> Dear Federationists,
>
> "Make the print your gift this Christmas with KNFB Reader. KNFB Reader is a
> mobile app that converts printed text into high quality speech to provide
> accurate, fast, and efficient access to both single- and multiple-page
> documents with the tap of a button. Make the print yours and live the life
> you want! The app is available for iOS and Android devices. From December
> 21, 2015, through January 4, 2016, you can purchase KNFB Reader for $74.99,
> 25% off the store price.
>
> Giving KNFB Reader as a gift is easy! You can obtain iTunes or Google Play
> gift cards at many local retailers such as Target or Walmart, or online at
> Amazon.com. To redeem iTunes gift cards, open the App Store, scroll down to
> the bottom of the page under "Featured," and choose "Redeem." You will need
> to sign in using your Apple ID, and then you will be prompted to use your
> phone's camera to photograph the bar code on the gift card, or enter the
> redemption code from the card manually. To redeem a Google Play gift card,
> choose the Navigation button in the upper left corner, then scroll down and
> choose "Redeem," and enter the redemption code located on the Google Play
> gift card.
>
> You can gift KNFB Reader iOS directly to someone by opening the App Store,
> and searching for KNFB Reader. Once you find the app, select the "Share"
> button at the top of the screen near the "Back" button, then choose that and
> then choose "Gift." This will bring up a screen for you to enter the
> recipient's email address (you will need to use the email address they have
> linked to their Apple ID). Then you may choose to add a message and set the
> date to send your gift.
>
> Why use this app? KNFB Reader is an easy, fast, accurate, and efficient text
> recognition mobile app that delivers near instantaneous results. Tired of
> being unsure what's been charged to your credit card? Want to know who sent
> you that package? Need nutritional information from a food label? Find a
> book that's not available on NLS? Buy a new appliance and want to access
> the user's manual? KNFB Reader is your go-to: it has reading modes for
> books, articles, labels, bills, and memos. Worried about getting a good
> photo of your text as a blind person? KNFB Reader provides a field of view
> report and tilt guidance for more accurate capturing of print in the
> photograph, as well as automatic text detection. You'll get the right photo;
> KNFB Reader will help you. The app allows for high quality digital output to
> speech or connected Braille displays. The scanned material can be imported
> as a .jpg or .pdf, or exported in .txt and .html formats. Not much space on
> your phone? No problem. Use cloud storage for your files via Dropbox or
> Google Drive! The app also has a batch scan mode to process and read
> multiple-page documents such as manuals or books. Don't let print be out of
> your reach ever again.
>
> To purchase KNFB Reader, visit www.nfb.org/knfbreader. Make the print yours
> and live the life you want!
>
> Happy Holidays from your KNFB Reader Team."
>
>
>
> .
>
>
> Robert Stigile
> 818-381-9568
> e-mail: rstigile at gmail.com
> Second Vice-President
> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando Valley
> Chapter
>
> The national Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want.
> Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
>
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