[Nfbc-info] Paratransit regulations

Wed Mar 30 16:16:31 UTC 2016

The windows are more for the drivers to keep them on schedule or so they can see how far off schedule they are running.

Ted Clark
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From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Paratransit regulations

Mike and all others

First, in some respects, my life is better because para transit is just one more option that I have. As for "windows" and penalties, I miss the point of having a "window" if there's consequence for being outside of the window. In other words, why have a rule if there's no point to follow it. Make sense?
As for favoritism,well, a while back the Regional Center threatened to file a class-action suit against San Diego MTS and, I think it was Laidlaw at the time. Their cliennts were being taken advantage of because some riders had no way to communicate how long they had been kept on para transit. The class-action suit was dropped... one of the concessions was for Regional Center to receive more than 50% of the subscription rides. Many of the regional center clients reside in group homes/board and care homes. Clusters of clients are picked up; at the same time; or close to that, on a daily basis. Fast-forward. Instead of scheduleing the "Extra Board drivers" to drive vans sitting in the yard, many of us leave at ungodly hours in the morning or wait crazy long periods of time later in the day because subscription riders/ regional enter, monopolizes the availability of the ride service. Make some sense? 

Lisa 

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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Paratransit regulations

Lisa,

As Ted said the regulations do vary from place to place. The ADA created the concept for para transit. The Department of Transportation then put in place the rules and regulations agencies are required to follow in order to receive federal funding which makes up most of the money used to pay for rides.

To my knowledge the federal regs do not go down to the detail of dealing with windows and penalties. I also am not aware of any California statutes that go further in this area then the fed.

Your point about addressing one specific population over others is an interesting one. When I chaired the board of Whistlestop, the Marin County para transit agency, we did provide most of the transportation for persons with medical appointments. However, their rides were not given to the exclusion of other people. The agency did have contracts to provide medical transportation services, but we were obligated to provide all para transit rides as specified by our contract. If you feel you are facing discrimination you could file a complaint with the Justice Department. I hope this helps. 

Best Regards,

Michael Hingson

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Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Paratransit regulations

I would like to direct this topic to Mike Tim Ted and all other knowledgeable individuals who might sit on committees or work with entities overseeing Paratransit. As you can see from Mary's response and for my information there a different standards for for Paratransit providers that is, there seems to be no consistency with the allowed window or actual consequences to the Paratransit provider. On one hand, according to Mary, her paratransit service provider gives a free ride if the driver is outside of his or her window. On the other hand, down here in San Diego no free rides are given unless the driver is an hour late. Go figure they have a 20 minute window but there appear to be no consequences until the drivers an hour late where is there the incentive to be on time?

I'm prior occasions I have read some of the Paratransit regulations that is why I'm asking folks on the listserv about the regulations because they are not crystal-clear and there appeared to be different standards from provider to provider. What does California law say? The 88 appears to be somewhat ambiguous to perhaps I'm mistaken

On a similar thread, at what point or Paratransit providers discriminating against the general population of Paratransit users when the bulk of subscription rides are assigned to one specific population within the disability community?

Respectfully,
Lisa Irving

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> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Mary Willows via Nfbc-info
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> 
> You can google the regulations for your service.  Each one is a little 
> different.  Up here (Tri Valley) it is 15 minutes either side of your 
> pick up time.  If they miss that half hour your next ride is free.
> However, East Bay para transit does not offer that.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nfbc-info [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lisa Irving via Nfbc-info
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> Subject: [Nfbc-info] Paratransit regulations
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> I have a question about Paratransit regulations. At what point are 
> there consequences for Paratransit providers when they are outside of 
> their window? San Diego Paratransit has a 20 minute window.
> 
> Best,
> Lisa Irving
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