[nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -$200discount onourBraille products

Thu Jan 8 12:23:43 UTC 2009

our parents division is fight so hard to get books and teachers etc for the 
kids to read, we make it a big deal for the sighted to pass tests and no 
child left behind.  But you cannot also have the opportunity to use audio 
devices, or can afford audio devices, and when a child wants to read, a book 
and not listen to it on tape or internet, etc. they should also have the 
right, they should also be taught how to write correct. braille is a short 
hand, I notice this when people try to spell things it is not the same way 
as you spell it with braille.

Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer
National Federation of the Blind Greater Long Island Chapter
Member NAGDU, NYAGDU and DAN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbchris at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! -$200discount 
onourBraille products

> As much as I like braille and am a proponent of it, I've always thought 
> the
> argument below was not valid.  Why?  Because braille is so much less
> available than print.  I think this is the big elephant in the room that 
> no
> one wants to talk about.  I would love to have a braille display for home,
> but I just can't afford it.  I can't gedt state help either because I am
> already employed.  I don't understand why twenty years later braille
> displays are still just as much out of reach of the average blind person 
> as
> they were when they were first made.  Yes there is hard copy braille, but 
> it
> is huge and bulky compared to print.  Braille cannot really be compared to
> print because it is so much more costly to produce on a mass scale.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200discount
> onourBraille products
>
>
> > One question, Dean.
> >
> > Can we tell public schools that they no longer need to waste a teacher's
> > time on reading because most of the kids have been auditorilly reading 
> > for
> > years by the time they get to school and that is perfectly acceptable 
> > for
> > them to succeed?
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:25 PM
> >> To: 'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
> >> discount onourBraille products
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to say that I agree with Everett, but at the same
> >> time, the conversation isn't too useful and can take away
> >> from the essential point.  I am a very literate person, using
> >> both Braille and audio reading techniques quite effectively.
> >> Nobody will tell me that I am not reading, processing
> >> information, when I read auditorially.  At the same time, the
> >> real point is that for a blind person to succeed in the world
> >> of work and independent living, competency in Braille is
> >> somewhere between highly beneficial and essential.  A blind
> >> person without high Braille competence has many more
> >> opportunities than one who does not.  So yes, non-braille
> >> readers can be literate, but the more Braille one has, the better.
> >>
> >> Dean
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:36 AM
> >> To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
> >> discount on ourBraille products
> >>
> >> Good afternoon Liz,
> >>
> >> What does literacy mean to you?  I would say that the least
> >> important part
> >> of litercy is the medium by which the symbols are acquired,
> >> but is the
> >> synthesis of the symbols into meaningful propositions.
> >>
> >> In other words, literacy is about successful communication,
> >> not about the
> >> means of communication, be it dots, ink or sound.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Everett
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Happy Birthday Mr. Braille! - $200
> >> discount on
> >> ourBraille products
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I don't mean to offend or start any major heated discussion,
> >> but my own personal view is that if someone cannot read print
> >> and doesn't know Braille, then they are, by all means,
> >> illiterate. Just listening to audio or reading via a
> >> screenreader on the computer, in my view, isn't actually
> >> reading; that's having things reed to you. I'd be interested
> >> in others' thoughts on this matter.
> >>
> >> Just my thoughts, for what they're worth,
> >>
> >> Liz
> >>
> >> email:
> >> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> >> Visit my livejournal:
> >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
> >> Follow me on Twitter:
> >> http://twitter.com/lizbot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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