[nfbcs] PDF

[Steve Jacobson]

Tracy,

What I did was to download the schedule instead of opening it directly.  I'm not sure what settings are used when opening it in a web window.  If you installed 
Acrobat to always use settings without prompting, you will have to open Acrobat and then press CONTROL-K to bring up the preferences menu.  The "Reader" tab 
has the reading order.  If you change that option, at least in Acrobat 9, it seems to reload the document.

It is possible that Window-Eyes works better on this, but the rendoring of PDF documents is so similar to web pages that I would be surprised if JFW doesn't handle 
tables that Window-Eyes handles, but of course it is possible.

Best regards,

Steve

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT), Tracy Carcione wrote:

>Hi Steve.
>I just tried the same PDF doc from my work PC.
>It opens better, but it is opening in IE, although it says PDF Document
>Start.
>However, as Gary said, the data is not seen as a table.
>All the column headers are on separate lines, followed by all the data on
>separate lines.
>Because it thinks it's in IE, it doesn't ask me "Preferred Reading Order".

>Maybe this is an instance where Window Eyes works better than Jaws?

>If I choose a PDF doc through Internet Explorer, and I see data, and the
>application is IE, then what is displaying the PDF doc?  If I knew that
>answer, at least I could make the aps the same at home and at work.
>Thanks.
>Tracy

>> Tracy,
>>
>> I didn't do an exhaustive examination, but I found that with the Acrobat
>> reader, and using the "Infer Reading Order from
>> Document" option that the schedule was put into tables.  Window-Eyes
>> treats these tables just like tables on the web,
>> so I assume that JFW does as well.  This lets one move up and down each
>> column.  If you use Kurzweil, it is going to
>> make its own decisions about formatting and won't take advantage of
>> anything imbeded in the PDF document.  Having
>> the same version of Adobe Acrobat and with the same settings is going to
>> be necessary to get the same results at home
>> and at work.  For this particular document, it looks to me as though
>> Acrobat Reader and the infer reading order option is
>> going to do a pretty good job.  I generally do not use the Infer Reading
>> order because it is slower and doesn't get you
>> that much when reading straight text, but when there is tabular
>> information, it is often worth it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:33:32 -0400 (EDT), Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>
>>>My public radio station is chaning its schedule.  The new schedule is a
>>>PDF doc--a big hairy table.  I am having no luck figuring it out at all,
>>>and its symptomatic of problems I'm having with PDF.
>>>Anyone who wants a look can see the pdf by going to wnyc.org, selecting
>>>schedule, then selecting Download New Schedule.
>>
>>>First, after I got the pdf dialog and hit Start, I got a blank page with
>>> a
>>>web address on top and 48.4% in the middle, but nothing else.  I saved
>>>that webpage as a pdf file (I didn't have to change anything in the Save
>>>As box) and opened it through Windows Explorer.  It opened it as a big
>>>table, but I couldn't figure out which column headers went with which
>>>columns.  I opened it with Kurzweil, and all the text was garbage
>>>:::::::::::::.... etc.
>>
>>>I will try it again at work tomorrow, because for some reason PDF reads
>>>better there, even though I'm using the same version of Jaws, 7.0, and
>>> IE.
>>> Does anyone know why that might be so?
>>>Does anyone know how to figure out which header goes with which column in
>>>a PDF table?
>>>Thanks.
>>>Tracy
>>
>>
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