[nfbcs] JAWS, Bookshare, and Web reader

Wed Apr 3 17:04:44 UTC 2013

Thanks.

Everyone's right in their observations.  Gabe, you're right in that students
don't deserve to get the short end of the stick.  And, believe it or not, I
wasn't learning on the job because for the past few weeks, I've not had time
to learn things on the job.  Too many people in a day.  So, I do spend a lot
of my personal time doing the research and asking the necessary questions.
I also don't have some of the equipment that I see people bringing in for my
own personal use, so I have to ask questions.

Dave, you are right.  Sometimes, things get thrown at you last minute.  So,
you make opportunities out of them.  Otherwise, you'll have plenty of
stress.  And, you build a network of people who can help ease the load.

I do wish I knew much more about every gadget and service out there, but
it's just not possible.  Aside from that, I can't spend all of my time on
this stuff because I also have a life and other commitments and
responsibilities after work.  But, I don't shirk what I need to do and
haven't had a complaint yet.

That's why I appreciate this list.  I consider it like a think tank where we
help one another.  And, if you have further ideas as to how I can improve,
shoot them my way.  I'm always willing to learn more and spend the time
doing it.  And, I'm the first to also tell my students "I don't know, but
I'll be glad to help you find the answer."  No shame in that, and they
appreciate the honesty.  To me, that's the sign of a good and honest
teacher.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hyde, David W.
(ESC)
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:56 AM
To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JAWS, Bookshare, and Web reader

You know, that is a great idea which, in many teaching environments, has no
contact with reality. There are times when you are told as instructor that
you need to teach in an area in which you have passing familiarity. A good
teacher will find out what he or she needs to teach, learn it, and teach it.
You solve the problem that you have. What you "should have known" is
unimportant. There are times when the instructor and the student learn
simultaneously. This is not a bad thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Via
Iphone4S
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:30 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Cc: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JAWS, Bookshare, and Web reader

But it is not your job, to learn on the job. You should have learned this,
or have known how to do this, before you will put into this situation. That
is we are that is why we are all trained the way we are so that we will know
how to do stuff before we are asked how to do I feel that the student is
getting the short end of the stick, due to you lack of knowledge. And that
is not fair

Gabe Vega
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(623) 565-9357

On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:22 PM, "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the encouragement, Gabe.
> Unfortunately, I'm who he's got, and I have to make it work because 
> it's my job.
> It's a learning opportunity for me as well, but this situation just 
> came up as a request from another teacher working with him.
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega 
> Via Iphone4S
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:09 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] JAWS, Bookshare, and Web reader
> 
> Not to seem harsh, but this sounds like your way in over your head. 
> Why not transfer him to AAT trainer that knows about braille? And how 
> braille devices work?
> 
> Gabe Vega
> Sent from my iPhone
> (623) 565-9357
> 
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 3:29 PM, "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have questions I need to find answers to by tomorrow and not enough 
>> time to play around with what I need. <grin>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A student of mine needs to be able to read a bookshare book both 
>> using his Braille display and JAWS.  At first, I'd downloaded the BRF 
>> file and opened it with NotePad.  The Grade 2 Braille file came up 
>> just fine, but JAWS was reading the translated code.  That didn't work.
>> 
>> Then I found out about Web Reader from Bookshare, and I guess I can 
>> click on the "Read Now" link, and the book will show up in both text 
>> and
> with JAWS.
>> Here are my questions.  Oh, and this kid is using a Brailliant display.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> First, JAWS seems to be reading just fine, but do you know if the 
>> actual book will appear in Grade 2 on the Braille display?  I don't 
>> have one available right now to test it out, and I see him first 
>> thing tomorrow morning.
>> 
>> Second, when I did the "read now" feature, Bookshare's introductory 
>> section popped up, and then when it ended, I just got a "frame end"
>> message.  I couldn't go any further.  Do I use the Frames list for 
>> this, or should things be coming up on their own?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, if Grade 2 Braille doesn't appear on the Braille display, 
>> what would be the easiest way of getting it to display in Grade 2 
>> without affecting how JAWS is reading the book?
>> 
>> I thought perhaps altering the JAWS Braille setting, but not having 
>> used a Brailliant except for demos, I am not sure.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.  My next thought is to possibly put it 
>> on his BrailleNote, but I'm not sure if he wants it done that way.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
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