[nfbcs] web browser problem?

Fri Apr 19 17:28:41 UTC 2013

Thanks Steve.
I have looked at the add-ins in IE, and I recognize all the programs, like 
Adobe and Java.  Not sure where to see toolbars listed.
I'm running Windows XP and IE8.

I do hit H until I get to the search results in Google.  Nicole helped me 
change some things, and the problem only happens intermittently, but this is 
it:  I put in my search term and hit enter.  I hit H until I find something 
in the results that looks like what I want, and I hit enter.  Up come a 
bunch of ads.  I close IE.  I open IE again and go back to Google, put in my 
search, choose the exact same result I chose before, and then I get where I 
thought I was going in the first place.  It's pretty annoying, though it 
doesn't happen as much as it did before I changed some IE settings and 
installed Spybot.

I did get the Sendspace thing a long time ago, but don't really use it. 
It's not listed in my add-ins.  I don't think it's in the list of programs 
under add/remove programs, either.  But I can try to find it and remove it.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] web browser problem?

> Tracy,
>
> It is kind of hard to know if what you are seeing is unusual.  However, if 
> you are running Internet Explorer, there is a version
> that causes it to run without any add-ins.  Trying that version to see if 
> the results change would be worth while.  In windows 7,
> you can go to the start menu search box and type in internet expl and you 
> should beable to press DOWN ARROW and find the "Internet
> Explorer No Add-ins" option.  If that changes what you get, then it is 
> possible that you have an add-in or plug-in that is making
> some kind of decision for you and you'll have to look at your add-ins and 
> disable them until you find the offending one.  Toolbars
> are usually the most suspicious.  You could also check to be sure that 
> something didn't change your proxy settings in Internet
> Explorer.  That is one trick that malware sometimes uses, and it may not 
> always be detected.  Also, did you download the SendSpace
> thing that gives you faster free downloads?  If so, that could be causing 
> a problem because it has the ability to display ads.
>
> I say it is hard to know if what you are seeing is a problem because there 
> is so much variability in web pages now.  Some Google
> ads will look like the search results that you want, so you need to be 
> sure you have pressed the key to jump to headings until you
> get to search results.  There is also no guarantee that a search result 
> won't point to a page that is displaying an ad.  In
> general, There are often ads before and after search results.  Also, it is 
> not uncomon for a web page to make certain keywords
> links to jump to other relevant or not-so-relevant pages.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:54:53 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>
>>Mike, are you saying you see links in the descriptions of TV listings?  I
>>wondered if it was the craze for putting ads everywhere, or just my 
>>problem.
>
>>I don't think my Google problem is random ads, because I point to the link 
>>I
>>want before entering, and I've tried insert-escape or insert-tab to be 
>>sure
>>Jaws is seeing what it's saying. Unless Google is randomly taking over.
>>Tracy
>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] web browser problem?
>
>
>>> tracy:
>>> These links are not a problem. It is current fashion to make a link be
>>> only part of a sentence. Contrary to current thinking, it is the 
>>> sighted,
>>> not the blind, who have problems with object permanence. They can't
>>> remember where their backarrow or scroll keys are. Thus, they usually 
>>> want
>>> to sea links both at top and bottom of page. The paradigm of one link
>>> equals one line is far in the cyberpast.
>>> As for your Google problem. I suspect the page is drawn differently and
>>> dynamically each time you do a search. Until the Internet goes back to
>>> having NSF run the backbone, which, I suspect will be never, we are 
>>> stuck
>>> with randomly-placed ads and their whole reason for being is *not* to be
>>> easily ignored which they could be were their page placement 
>>> predictable.
>>> Ah, free enterprise!
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:30, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if this is a problem or not, or what to do about it.  I 
>>>> have
>>>> been having a problem with Google, where, the first time I get results
>>>> and choose a link, I get a bunch of ads instead of what I want.  The
>>>> second time I try, I get the link I want.  This is despite using 
>>>> various
>>>> ways to be sure I'm actually on the link I think I am, recommended by
>>>> this list before.  I think it is something called "click&jump". 
>>>> Anyway,
>>>> I disabled 3rd party cookies, and installed Spybot Search & Destroy,
>>>> which hunted out a number of minor threats. The problem persists, but 
>>>> not
>>>> as bad.
>>>> My question is this:
>>>> When I go to a website, I see a lot of what seem to me to be extra 
>>>> links,
>>>> which I bet would go to ads, if I clicked on them.
>>>> For example, on NFB Newsline Online, at the bottom, there is a bit that
>>>> says "contact by phone:" and the number.  For me, "phone" is a separate
>>>> link. This doesn't seem right, and it makes reading pages kind of a 
>>>> pain,
>>>> since there are a lot of lines with these odd links.
>>>> Another example is, if I'm reading the TV listings on Newsline, and, 
>>>> say,
>>>> the show description says "the team investigates an insurance salesman
>>>> who may be a serial killer", "insurance" will be a link.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if it's a problem, and, if
>>>> so, what to do about it?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
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