[nfbcs] web browser problem?

Fri Apr 19 18:49:21 UTC 2013

Thanks for that, Mike.  Zoicks!  What's a person to do, when the same steps 
don't get the same result!  I'm getting too old for this stuff. But I'll 
stop worrying that the Russian mafia have taken over my computer.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] web browser problem?

> tracy:
> steve has given you good advice and I see that you've read it. Yes, there 
> can be links in tv listings. Moreover, do you really know that the search 
> link you think you're pointing to is the same in both searches? You would 
> need to look at the source code to know this for certain and even then you 
> might not really know because the actual link might be buried in a 
> javascript function you cannot easily get at.
> I personally don't think your problem lies in the realm of malware or 
> add-ons but rather in the way Google generates its pages. Different pages 
> are probably generated each time you do a search.. In other words, same 
> sequence of steps may not lead to the same results.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:54, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike, are you saying you see links in the descriptions of TV listings?  I 
>> wondered if it was the craze for putting ads everywhere, or just my 
>> problem.
>>
>> I don't think my Google problem is random ads, because I point to the 
>> link I want before entering, and I've tried insert-escape or insert-tab 
>> to be sure Jaws is seeing what it's saying. Unless Google is randomly 
>> taking over.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] web browser problem?
>>
>>
>>> tracy:
>>> These links are not a problem. It is current fashion to make a link be 
>>> only part of a sentence. Contrary to current thinking, it is the 
>>> sighted, not the blind, who have problems with object permanence. They 
>>> can't remember where their backarrow or scroll keys are. Thus, they 
>>> usually want to sea links both at top and bottom of page. The paradigm 
>>> of one link equals one line is far in the cyberpast.
>>> As for your Google problem. I suspect the page is drawn differently and 
>>> dynamically each time you do a search. Until the Internet goes back to 
>>> having NSF run the backbone, which, I suspect will be never, we are 
>>> stuck with randomly-placed ads and their whole reason for being is *not* 
>>> to be easily ignored which they could be were their page placement 
>>> predictable.
>>> Ah, free enterprise!
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 7:30, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if this is a problem or not, or what to do about it.  I 
>>>> have been having a problem with Google, where, the first time I get 
>>>> results and choose a link, I get a bunch of ads instead of what I want. 
>>>> The second time I try, I get the link I want.  This is despite using 
>>>> various ways to be sure I'm actually on the link I think I am, 
>>>> recommended by this list before.  I think it is something called 
>>>> "click&jump".  Anyway, I disabled 3rd party cookies, and installed 
>>>> Spybot Search & Destroy, which hunted out a number of minor threats. 
>>>> The problem persists, but not as bad.
>>>> My question is this:
>>>> When I go to a website, I see a lot of what seem to me to be extra 
>>>> links, which I bet would go to ads, if I clicked on them.
>>>> For example, on NFB Newsline Online, at the bottom, there is a bit that 
>>>> says "contact by phone:" and the number.  For me, "phone" is a separate 
>>>> link. This doesn't seem right, and it makes reading pages kind of a 
>>>> pain, since there are a lot of lines with these odd links.
>>>> Another example is, if I'm reading the TV listings on Newsline, and, 
>>>> say, the show description says "the team investigates an insurance 
>>>> salesman who may be a serial killer", "insurance" will be a link.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and if it's a problem, and, if 
>>>> so, what to do about it?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
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