[nfbcs] project tracking software

Sun May 12 22:06:03 UTC 2013

And the ADA does *not* apply to the Federal government and when it was
passed, almost all computer documents were text, the national Science
Foundation ran the Internet backbone, Most Internet software was UNIX-based
and text-oriented and MSDOS machines used Fidonet (a set of nodes connected
by dial-up lines) to communicate and, perhaps, most importantly, the web
didn't exist yet because HTML didn't exist. So electronic access wasn't even
on the radar of ADA advocates.

Mike Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 11:40 AM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software

A little history here.  The original A.D.A. was gutted by the federal 
court system and Congress eventually stepped in to restore some of the 
power the federal courts had removed.  It is also well to remember two 
things even more important than statutes.  First the interpretation of 
the statutes and 2) the enforcement of those interpreted statutes.  
Misinterpretation is what usually causes the most trouble with the 
A.D.A. when it is enforced at all.

On Sun, 12 May 2013, Tami Jarvis wrote:

> Tracy,
> 
> Yeah, and I keep hearing these sorts of stories, where the laws are just
flat
> out not followed.
> 
> So I'm really interested in how the lawsuit Mike F. mentioned in an
earlier
> post will come out after the long slog... It's depressing in a way, though
I
> guess not all that surprising, that it's going to take at least as much
hard
> work and effort to get teeth put in those laws as it was to get the laws
in
> the first place... Sigh. Then again, I remember when those laws were being
> developed and then finally passed back in the day. Since I knew I would be
> blind sooner or later, I paid attention. But, of course, I was not
officially
> a disabled person then, so I got to hear the abled folks talk about the
> horrible imposition in the free way bigots talk when they assume you are
one
> of Them... From what I recall of what of that was on my limited radar at
the
> time, the reason the laws ended up toothless was that that was the only
way
> they could be passed in the first place. Of course, I know a lot of you
here
> had real skin in that game, so thanks! I've benefitted from your hard
work.
> 
> But more remains now, for sure, to get penalties for violators. It's just
> unfortunate that it takes people who would rather be working for a living
to
> have to take time out of their lives for lawsuits instead.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 05/11/2013 05:48 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > I know this is a ridiculous thing to say, but there is a law requiring
> > the government to only purchase accessible software, right?  Yet they're
> > using JIRA, which Susie says is inaccessible.  Thus, they're breaking
> > the law.  I just thought it had to be said.
> > Tracy
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City,
> > MO" <Susan.Stanzel at kcc.usda.gov>
> > To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
> >
> >
> > > The project lead sometimes has to use HP Quallity Center because the
> > > Testing and Certification Office is part of our team. We submit our
> > > software to them for their review before it goes to production. It
> > > would be handy if I could use it, but more handy if I could use JIRA.
> > >
> > > Susie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:24 PM
> > > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] project tracking software
> > >
> > > Susie,
> > >
> > > That is interesting that the government is using HP Quality Center.  I
> > > had trouble using it but it turned out I didn't have to so I did not
> > > pursue it.  However, I thought it was more for developing and
> > > executing test cases, although maybe that is just one use.
> > > Whether it helps or not, if I have to use it, knowing it is used by
> > > the government could give me more of a lever to get them to fix those
> > > things that don't appear to be accessible.  Unfortunately, I think
> > > some of the problem I have seen with HPQC may have to do with screen
> > > readers not keeping up as well as they might with modern web
approaches.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Jacobson
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:59:16 +0000, Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City,
> > > MO wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good moring Everyone,
> > >
> > > > There are two different project and bug tracking programs used at
USDA.
> > > > They are JIRA which appears not to be accessible and HP
> > > Quallity Center which I am not forced to use. Do any of you
> > > successfully use project tracking software? I wish all I had to do in
> > > my job was code (grin).
> > >
> > > > Susie Stanzel
> > >
> > >
> > >
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