[nfbcs] "empty" pdf

Fri Jan 10 21:16:16 UTC 2014

No.  I think Denise forgot that this discussion started with PDF's that did not contain text.  So I was pointing out all the ways you can get different versions of the text when it *is* included in the PDF.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:59 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] "empty" pdf

Lloyd,

I did not think Save as Text worked when a PDF document is scanned.  It may work with the full version of Acrobat, but are you indicating that the Acrobat Reader has some OCR built in?  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:47:05 -0500, Rasmussen, Lloyd wrote:

>With the Save as Text option, you will get text, but it is full of hard 
>returns, and the reading order is not necessarily the same as any of 
>the 3 or 4 options
you have while reading inside your screen reader.  Of course there are no guarantees of reading order if you do OCR, either.  

>Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer National Library Service for 
>the Blind and Physically Handicapped
>Library of Congress   202-707-0535
>http://www.loc.gov/nls
>The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Denise M 
>Robinson
>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:35 AM
>To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] "empty" pdf

>Another is go to file menu and save as text...in PDF

>On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>wrote:

>> Thanks for all the ideas.  For this particular doc, since it was just 
>> an example of something, I called the user and had him explain it.
>> However, this "empty" document problem has cropped up a lot lately, 
>> so I'm saving all your suggestions for next time.
>> Tracy
>>
>> > If Insert-Z works with PDF files, you may be able to do this.  My 
>> > experience with Window-Eyes (not doing OCR but pasting formatted 
>> > text
>> from
>> > a PDF into Word) showed that I needed to do Select All, Copy, Paste 
>> > for each page individually.
>> >
>> > In Word 2003 you print your PDF to the Microsoft Office Document 
>> > Image Writer, which has an option to save to a file.  Then you use 
>> > Microsoft Document Imaging to recognize the text.  I didn't find it 
>> > to do a very good job.
>> >
>> > My favorite way to deal with image-only PDF's at home is to use 
>> > Omnipage, which is now at version 19.  It puts some PDF-processing 
>> > options on the context menu for PDF files in Windows Explorer.  It 
>> > is sometimes even useful on PDF's that have text, but it can also 
>> > put a lot of I's or L's into your file as well.
>> >
>> > Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer National Library Service 
>> > for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
>> > Library of Congress   202-707-0535
>> > http://www.loc.gov/nls
>> > The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect 
>> > those of the Library of Congress, NLS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dr. 
>> > Denise M Robinson
>> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:40 AM
>> > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] "empty" pdf
>> >
>> > Yes, turn off jaws, do a ctrl a to select all, ctrl c to copy, alt 
>> > tab to word and paste with ctrl v then hit the ctrl key and let go 
>> > which takes you into paste options then hit t to keep text only 
>> > which essentially turns that image into text---then turn jaws back 
>> > on and read
>> >
>> > Denise
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Tracy Carcione 
>> > <carcione at access.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've received a pdf attachment with a file length of 35 KB, but 
>> >> when I open it Adobe says it's an empty document.
>> >> If I were at home, I'd feed it through Kurzweil, but I don't have 
>> >> Kurzweil  on this PC.
>> >> I tried Jaws convenient OCR, but it wouldn't start.
>> >> Are there other ways to get at the data in this doc?
>> >> Thanks.
>> >> Tracy
>> >>
>> >>
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>Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office 
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>is doing it." --Chinese Proverb

>Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.
>--Albert Einstein

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