[nfbcs] Sighted Assistance (was Re: namecheap)

Sun Jan 19 17:15:27 UTC 2014

Everybody seems to want to draw their own circles around this topic.

Few people have sighted assistants at their beck and call.  Sometimes, there are things you could choose to do if you wanted more sighted assistants; pay them, barter with them, advertise for volunteers, etc.

However, my point was never that we should all work to have more sighted assistants, rather that we should not eschew sighted help when it is available.

Earlier in this thread,  Nicole Torcolini asked "So you are telling me that you think that it is acceptable to require sighted assistance in order to do something?" My answer is of course I think it's acceptable.  Like it or not, we live in a sighted world where not all things are blind-people friendly. Get used to it.

In certain circumstances, we may go after a particular industry to help make things better (ATM manufacturers, airlines, text book publishers), but this will not lead to a society where everything is blind person friendly.  As blind people, each of us should expect to need sighted assistance, know how to ask for it politely, and know how to accept it.

Carrying this back over to Gabe's original post.  Gabe plans to use a domain management website that doesn't care about the needs of blind folks.  In my opinion, Gabe finding a workaround in the form of a sighed employee is totally reasonable and makes good business sense.  But, assuming there are such, wouldn't it be better to vote with our dollars to support domain management websites that do care about the accessibility needs of blind persons?

Jim

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:55:36AM -0500, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> Of course sighted assistance is helpful, but I, and I suspect many others,
> just don't have it on a regular basis.  The sighted people I know don't come
> around every day, and, when they do, I don't want always to be pestering for
> help.  Further, most of them are not particularly computer-savvy, and
> getting across what I need them to do is not as easy as one might think it
> would be.
> 
> I get awful tired of people assuming I always have a sighted person at my
> beck and call.  I don't.  Maybe that means there's something wrong with me,
> but I don't think so.
> Tracy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:07 AM
> Subject: [nfbcs] Sighted Assistance (was Re: namecheap)
> 
> 
> >Are you kidding?  There are many tasks that are much easier to do with
> >sighted assistance than using a screen reader.
> >
> >Why would you deny yourself the most reliable blind-people friendly
> >computer access tool there is, sighted help?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:40:53PM -0800, Nicole Torcolini wrote:
> >>So you are telling me that you think that it is acceptable  to require
> >>sighted assistance in order to do something? I can accept this for some
> >>things, like driving a car, but not for most tasks on the computer.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega -
> >>CEO
> >>Commtech LLC
> >>Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:32 PM
> >>To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> >>Cc: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] namecheap
> >>
> >>are you telling me in your daily life, you never not once running to a
> >>side
> >>of person that is willing to help you? I'm sure my employees are paid to
> >>help me but nonetheless, I even have cited friends that would help me
> >>register a domain which is a quick 2 to 5 minute process.
> >>
> >>Gabe Vega  - CEO
> >>Commtech LLC
> >>The leader of computer support, training and web development services
> >>Web: http://commtechusa.net
> >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
> >>Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
> >>Email: info at commtechusa.net
> >>Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
> >>Fax: (480) 535-7649
> >>
> >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 7:48 PM, "Michael Baldwin" <mbaldwin577 at gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not all of us have the benefit of someone with sight to do it for us.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega -
> >>> CEO Commtech LLC
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:23
> >>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> >>> Cc: <blindwebbers at yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] namecheap
> >>>
> >>> he is a Mac and voiceover. I will try logging today, I've gotten the
> >>> majority of my domains from them. Even if I can't login and success
> >>> Lisa's for my own domain, I will have a staff member who has sight, do
> >>> it
> >>for me.
> >>>
> >>> Gabe Vega  - CEO
> >>> Commtech LLC
> >>> The leader of computer support, training and web development services
> >>> Web: http://commtechusa.net
> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechllc
> >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc
> >>> Email: info at commtechusa.net
> >>> Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710
> >>> Fax: (480) 535-7649
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "Michael Baldwin"
> >>>>> <mbaldwin577 at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I can no longer recommend namecheap.com as a domain provider.
> >>>> They have changed the site, and for me it is unusable with Jaws. I am
> >>>> not able to sign in to my account or even search for a new domain.
> >>>> those that use namecheap.com should check it out and see if it works
> >>>> for them and their setup.
> >>>> Michael
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