[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
Jude DaShiell
jdashiel at shellworld.net
Thu Jul 24 14:24:43 UTC 2014
I find openssh works very well in a command line environment.
On Fri, 30 May 2014, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
> OK,
> If you find it, and can help me get set up, I'd greatly appreciate it
> I dont' care if it's SecureCRT or not, I just need
> a terminal client SSH Client that TALKS. LOL!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs"
> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>
>
> > Well the secureCRT website has some info about setting the
> > accessibility options for screen readers. ALso, there was a jaws
> > script that someone at oracle I think made that you can google. I do
> > remember having a problem with emacs -- I think I wrote my own jaws
> > script to help the cursor out and that fixed things. I don't know if
> > I have any of this laying around. I'll have to check my old computer.
> > ALso, I don't remember having a problem with VI at all. Maybe I was
> > using an updated version of secureCRT which worked fine with VI.
> >
> > On 5/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Hello:
> > > I like CRT, but I couldn't ever get Jaws to track the cursor well enough
> > > to use either emacs or vi. How did you pull this off?
> > > On 5/22/2014 4:15 AM, William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs wrote:
> > > > I used secureCRT and emacs/vi on the command line in Linux for my
> > > > masters in CS... I progrrrammed a whole operating system + a CPU data
> > > > path along with a bunch of other thigns in it. I don't know much
> > > > about systems administration in it though. I know some systems admins
> > > > use a lot of GUI tools. Although I had one IT guy who is sighted tell
> > > > me that any admin worth his salt uses ssh and the command line. ALso,
> > > > I hate orca.
> > > >
> > > > On 5/21/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > > > I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to
> > > > > set
> > > > > it up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit
> > > > > in
> > > > > the shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a
> > > > > really old version) and WinSCP for editing.
> > > > > On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
> > > > > > I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > Cygwin works better than some.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> > > > > > Sedmak
> > > > > > via
> > > > > > nfbcs
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
> > > > > > To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you use a Windows ssh client? I have been using teraterm myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs
> > > > > > > <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions
> > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > do it every day at work.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > Barbour
> > > > > > > via nfbcs
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
> > > > > > > To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > make.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
> > > > > > > terminal
> > > > > > > -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > command line, this opens up two other options for you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh
> > > > > > > connections.
> > > > > > > ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
> > > > > > > enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
> > > > > > > machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux
> > > > > > > box.
> > > > > > > You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > do many tasks at once.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
> > > > > > > instead just run a terminal based screen reader. There are two
> > > > > > > that I
> > > > > > know of.
> > > > > > > Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the
> > > > > > > terminal,
> > > > > > > behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago. Your
> > > > > > > keystrokes
> > > > > > > get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review
> > > > > > > cursors
> > > > > > > to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your
> > > > > > > physical
> > > > > > > screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at
> > > > > > > once,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > here and one of us can tell you more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Take Care,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > John,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there a huge learning curve?
> > > > > > > > I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted
> > > > > > > > reader.
> > > > > > > > Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
> > > > > > > > <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar
> > > > > > > > > linux. I
> > > > > > > > > don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so
> > > > > > > > > impressed
> > > > > > > > > with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do
> > > > > > > > > linux
> > > > > > > > > support for a living. I have not tried the latest version
> > > > > > > > > though.
> > > > > > > > > They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to
> > > > > > > > > basing
> > > > > > > > > it on arch (I think).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to
> > > > > > > > > switch
> > > > > > > > > from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
> > > > > > > > > myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even
> > > > > > > > > seemed
> > > > > > > > > to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be
> > > > > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > > to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would
> > > > > > > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > for, though, it to get people to agree that if some
> > > > > > > > > standardization
> > > > > > > > > could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > that. It's
> > > > > > > ridiculous, IMO.
> > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU box
> > > > > > > > > > started so that it has some varriant of speech that
> > > > > > > > > > functions
> > > > > > > > > > simillarly to JAWS?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I-- have no idea where to start with this.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been
> > > > > > > > > > diving
> > > > > > > > > > into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would
> > > > > > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > > get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
> > > > > > > > > > Listservs welcome.
> > > > > > > > > > I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ian C. Bray
> > > > > > > > > > Louisville, KY
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> > > > > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
> > > > > he
> > > > > that
> > > > > dares not reason is a slave.
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