[nfbcs] NVDA product question

[George]

Hello Gary,

With the greatest respect, I would like to tell you what, I feel, is the 
problem here, which is very sad.

I feel that we are basically very happy with what we have and reluctant to 
stand up for any real change, even though we complain when we are annoyed by 
some problem we have for being blind. If software is free or not, maybe we 
don't care.
We might have to focussed on changing ourselves first to be able to change 
society or mainly our society.
We are happy and comfortable and we talk because we have plenty of time and 
we discuss and feel excited and happier: just talk, talk, talk; fun and more 
fun!
Nothing will really change by this.
Probably, we don't care to read the article and we feel that its subject is 
very difficult (it makes us really think and we don't want that), we just 
read the title of this message and we might be arguing on it just to have a 
good time.
That's why I said some days ago that I wouldn't go on posting to this 
thread: in fact, I'm very busy.

Why do I feel this way?
Because, about one week ago, I started a forum on Norton's website, hoping 
that everyone will help and raise their voices to make it accessible.
Only two people have clicked "me too" sofar. I would like to thank them 
here.
https://community.norton.com/forums/we-blind-also-need-use-norton-please-help
Symantec says that, if a forum gets many clicks, they will take it for 
consideration.

Thank you for the Braille Monitor; It's very interesting and sorry for my 
negative view, but this is how I feel now.
I don't intend to offend or hurt anyone's feelings with this email, just to 
let you know how I feel.
If we really expect something to change, I think that first we should 
change, of course including me.

In stead of thinking so much about details and ideals on how society or 
accessibility should change, probably we (each one of us) simply need  to 
get ready to take action.
Is there a change you want?
Then stand up for it!
And everyone please help!
One thing is absolutely clear: we are going to get very few or nothing if we 
don't get together and raise our voices in society (not just among 
ourselves) for the changes we want.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wunder via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Nancy Coffman'" <nancy.l.coffman at gmail.com>; "'NFB in Computer Science 
Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:58 PM
Subject: [spam] Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question


> Good morning, folks. With the exception of Brian Buhrow's comments, I have
> seen few reactions to the arguments made in Tim's article that appeared in
> the November issue of the Braille Monitor. Discussion has tended to focus 
> on
> whether NVDA is a good product, when there was no contention in the 
> article
> that it was anything less than stellar.
>
> The issue certainly is not whether NVDA is a good product. I have it, I 
> use
> it, the National Federation of the Blind has contributed to its 
> development,
> and most folks are glad that it is available to us. The interesting part 
> of
> the discussion for me is whether the for-profit model we rely on for so 
> much
> innovation in our country applies to those of us who have special needs.
> It's cool when you have a piece of software that can be used to help 
> sighted
> people and therefore broaden your base, but if you are going to sell a
> braille display, or if you're going to tailor software to work well with
> specific applications when connected to that braille display, that serves 
> no
> one except the blind, so the idea that mass deployment will save money
> doesn't hold.
>
> I am glad for all of the discussion and all of the opinions, but one of 
> the
> things I hope in talking about Tim's article in the November issue was 
> that
> we would get some responses directed to the arguments he makes. To what
> degree do we want Microsoft to control what level of access we get? Are we
> always advantaged when fixes that we need from Apple must wait until there
> are a sufficient number of fixes or enhancements to justify a release? If
> Microsoft, Apple, and Google come to dominate the screen reader market,
> whether they do so through their own offerings or by contracting with
> others, will they provide the kind of support that allows blind people to
> efficiently work in call centers by customizing keystrokes to read 
> specific
> areas on the screen? How do we feel about the various funding models that
> have been used to serve us?
>
> Thanks for reading the article, and thanks also for the wonderful 
> feedback.
> My goal in running these articles and making these comments is not to 
> change
> anyone's mind but to make certain that all of us have important data we 
> can
> use in deciding how we can best be served by evolving technology.
>
>
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