[nfbcs] NVDA product question

Larry Wayland lhwayland at sbcglobal.net
Thu Nov 13 04:10:48 UTC 2014 

You don't have to purchase a new version of Jaws just because a new version
of Windows comes out as long as you keep the Maintenance agreement up to
date.


-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of George via nfbcs
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:05 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question

Five dollars per month?

Please tell us how many hundreds of dollars we have to pay for the next
version of JAWS after the two-year contract expires, because we are not
supposed to use a computer just for two years and you will have to buy a new
version especially when you have a new version of Windows.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Coffman via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>; "NFB in Computer Science
Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: [spam] Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question


> At the Nebraska commission for the blind and visually impaired, we 
> usually buy JAWS for our clients with the first software maintenance 
> agreement. I used to buy professional, in the hopes that when they got 
> a job the employer would be willing to pay for the software 
> maintenance agreement, or the client would be able to afford it. I am 
> currently buying the license for noncommercial use. A software 
> maintenance agreement typically last two years. The cost of the 
> agreement is $120 which translates to five dollars per month. If you 
> donate regularly to NVDA, or need to pay for any service for window 
> eyes. It doesn't take long to be out $120. I let my clients know that the
best bargain is to keep their jaws up to date.
>
> Nancy Coffman
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Bryan Schulz via nfbcs 
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> well then that's a different animal.
>> Of course you are going to get a lower price if you agree to purchase 
>> dozens.
>> Let us know if it is possible to purchase jaws pro as an individual 
>> for less than $1,195 assuming that's still the set price.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wayland via nfbcs" 
>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>; "'NFB in Computer Science 
>> Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Dave, I wasn't going to argue with them.  I purchased for 
>>> my state agency for over 20 years and was able to get very good 
>>> discounts on products, including Jaws, until Freedom Scientific 
>>> clamped down and picked only one dealer to represent a whole region. 
>>> I think this is very unfair for blind people not allowing them to 
>>> shop around and find the best price. I can't think of any other 
>>> company that does not allow people to purchase from any dealer they 
>>> want.  It is not just Freedom Scientific that does this.
>>> Several of the developers pick a dealer to sell their product, and 
>>> it usually is the same dealer for all developers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Andrews via nfbcs
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:43 PM
>>> To: Bryan Schulz; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>
>>> This is not true -- a dealer can sell for less -- although most do not. 
>>> The
>>> state of Minnesota, because it purchases a number of copies each 
>>> year has negotiated discounts on various AT products with a wide 
>>> variety of companies.  So, it is possible.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 01:14 AM 11/5/2014, you wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> the actual cost of jaws, etc is the same no matter where it is 
>>>> purchased across the country.
>>>> I was talking about a midwest contractor that was granted golden 
>>>> boy status while two others were forced out of business or the area!
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wayland via nfbcs"
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'Bryan Schulz'" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>; "'NFB in Computer 
>>>> Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Besides that, Blind people are being told who they have to buy 
>>>>> from and not be allowed to shop for best prices.
>>>>> There is only one company in this area I can by Jaws from, well, 
>>>>> not just Jaws many other products. As well. This doesn't allow me 
>>>>> to shop around the country and find a better price. I am not sure 
>>>>> if this is even legal. I can't think of any other product other 
>>>>> than assistive devices that are sold this way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan 
>>>>> Schulz via nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:51 PM
>>>>> To: Brian Buhrow; NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not completely true that vendors are not getting rich from 
>>>>> the adaptive technology field especially when other vendors are 
>>>>> forced to close or relocate when a specific vendor is favored!
>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Brian Buhrow via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>; "NFB in Computer 
>>>>> Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "Michael Forzano"
>>>>> <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:45 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NVDA product question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello.  Everyone who has been following or contributing to this 
>>>>>> thread on this list needs to read, multiple times, tim Connell's 
>>>>>> article in the November 2014 Braille Monitor, "What is the Cost 
>>>>>> of a Free
>>> Product?"
>>>>>> In that article, he lays out the various funding models for all 
>>>>>> the access technology available today and lists the vices and 
>>>>>> virtues of each model.  He makes the point, in a few wores, that 
>>>>>> I've been trying to make, in a very clumsy fashion, for a number of
years.
>>>>>> Free is not always better.
>>>>>> I'll add to his point that even more important is the fact that 
>>>>>> we as blind consumers need to be aware of the cost of free 
>>>>>> products before we end up paying the ultimate price of freedom, 
>>>>>> i.e. with our jobs and, potentially, our independence.  I find 
>>>>>> Jaws to be just as frustrating as the next guy and I don't use it in
my daily work.
>>>>>> However, I purchase it because it is there if I really need it 
>>>>>> and there may be a day, and there have been a few, when it did 
>>>>>> something I really needed.  Many blind professionals I know rely 
>>>>>> on Jaws every day and I would be very sad to see them lose their 
>>>>>> livelihoods because Freedom Scientivic could no longer afford to 
>>>>>> support their
>>> products.
>>>>>> Sure there are excesses in the market place and companies who've 
>>>>>> stocked their treasure chests with the gold of the poor who 
>>>>>> bought their products.  However, let's not let the exception make the
rule.
>>>>>> Most folks working in the access technology arena are not 
>>>>>> becoming filthy rich off our baksand, even better for us, they 
>>>>>> are dedicated individuals who truly believe in helping us achieve 
>>>>>> independence through improved access to technology and training.  
>>>>>> As Tim points out, the philanthropic model, which is how NVDA is 
>>>>>> funded, is a fragile beast and subject to the whims of the 
>>>>>> funders which, are, in turn, influenced by a wide array of 
>>>>>> factors including political considerations, share holder concerns 
>>>>>> and issues I can't even think of.  Contrary to Tim's essay, I'd 
>>>>>> argue that technologies like VoiceOver in Apple's iOS  and 
>>>>>> Talkback in Google's Android survive on the philanthropic model 
>>>>>> as well, all be it from one donor rather than many.
>>>>>> The point I want to make here is that while everyone is 
>>>>>> discussing the merrits of NVDA versus Jaws relative to their 
>>>>>> costs, remember that, as Tim points out, we probably don't truly 
>>>>>> know the cost of free yet. I pray that we will before we actually pay
it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -thanks
>>>>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>>
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