[nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO

Sat Feb 20 17:19:38 UTC 2016

What makes the ribbon not so bad is, for example, hit alt+h, arrow down to
get the home ribbon options, and hit control + right (or left) arrow to find
different groups within the ribbon.  Once in the ribbon group, hit tab to
move around.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher at swbell.net

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Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO

I use zoomtext so I can see and still  I hate the ribbon. They made it so
much more difficult to find things.

On Friday, February 19, 2016, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Some people will say that this is not accessibility, but I very much 
> think that it is. Have an option to bring back the old menubar instead 
> of that stupid ribbon. I basically have to memorize all of the 
> keystrokes from office 2003 in order to get anything done because the 
> stuff on the ribbon is iimpossible to find, has keystrokes that are 
> four, five, or six steps long, and, in some cases, do not work.
>  Some of the old shortcut keys do not work anymore, like pressing alt 
> p in Outlook to get to the options for a message. If you look hard 
> enough, you can get back to the old dialogs for different stuff, like 
> page layout in Word or message options in Outlook, but it takes ten 
> million steps to get there. Okay, exaggerating, but that is what it seems
like.
>         There is another problem with Internet Explorer. I do not know 
> if it has been fixed in the new browser. Screen readers often send an 
> accessibility event instead of passing through the keystroke of enter 
> or space. When this happens, the browser decides how to handle it. All 
> other browsers, afaik, use mouse down, mouse up, click as the events 
> that the browser fires for an accessibility event, but Internet 
> Explorer only uses click. Many web companies do not know this and make 
> controls that listen on mouse up, so they are not accessible with 
> screen readers and Internet Explorer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf 
> Of Jeanine Lineback via nfbcs
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: Doug Lee
> Cc: Jeanine Lineback; List for teachers and trainers of adaptive 
> technology; Jeanine Lineback via nfbcs
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Fwd: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new 
> CAO
>
> Thank you Doug,
> Regarding the Link 2013 in the Skype for business issues with jaws and 
> other screen readers like NVDA I have also reported these problems. 
> :-) They are a major issue especially the notifications taking over 
> from other applications. Definitely a productivity downer. Frown
>
> Dictated on an iPhone.
>
> > On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please pass this on, though Anne is well aware of this concern, and 
> > the fact that I've been harping about this for about nine months. :)
> >
> > Two serious issues in Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2016, highest
> priority first:
> >
> > 1. Every incoming chat message fires a MenuOpened event and forces 
> > AT users to Alt+Tab twice in order to continue whatever they were 
> > doing before the message arrived. This is a very severe productivity 
> > killer, and this issue alone has forced me to recommend to large 
> > companies that they refrain from upgrading beyond Lync
> > 2010 for users who are blind or use a screen reader.
> >
> > Note that while I am aware that the delay in fixing this issue is 
> > due to difficulty deciding what system to use for incoming chat 
> > notifications, I urge that the menuOpened events be stopped 
> > immediately even if this results in no notification of an incoming chat.
> Silent chat arrival is a problem but does not impair use of every 
> other application on the computer.
> >
> > 2. Frequently during an active voice call in Lync 2013 and Skype for 
> > Business 2016, the keyboard is taken over in such a way as to 
> > prevent many JAWS commands from working. Again, a user must Alt+Tab 
> > to rectify this situation. My very rough estimate is that this 
> > happens at least once
> every 5-10 minutes, though my recollection of the time interval is 
> imprecise.
> >
> > I am forwarding this message to some members of my office 
> > accessibility team in case they have further thoughts.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:03:25AM -0600, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
> > I have been asked to circulate the following message.  This also 
> > applies
> to your own personal experience with Microsoft product, even though 
> the below email specifies serving students and adults.
> >
> > Jeanine Lineback
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: "McSorley, Jan" <jan.mcsorley at pearson.com <javascript:;>>
> >> Date: February 16, 2016 at 12:42:29 PM CST
> >> To: Jeanine Kay Lineback <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com 
> >> <javascript:;>>,
> Edgar Lozano
> >> <lozano.edgar94 at gmail.com <javascript:;>>, Su Park 
> >> <su.park98 at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >> Subject: Collecting Information for Microsoft's new CAO
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> I just got off a call with Anne Taylor who, as you know, used to be 
> >> the
> Director of Access Technology at the National Federation of the Blind.  
> She now works for Microsoft and her boss is Microsoft's new Chief 
> Accessibility Officer.
> >>
> >> Anne asked me to compile a list of access barriers in Microsoft 
> >> products
> that impede the work I am trying to accomplish at Pearson, but I would 
> like to take this opportunity to get additional feedback from others 
> in the field.  I would love to add your insights and opinions on how 
> Microsoft could help improve education, productivity, etc. of people  
> with disabilities by making improvements in the accessibility of their
products.
> >>
> >> I will be working on a list of ideas for Anne, but if you have any
> thoughts or feedback on the following questions, I will be sure to 
> share your name(s) as contributors to the list:
> >>
> >> 1. Are there any access barriers to using Microsoft products that 
> >> make
> it
> difficult for you to serve students or adults with disabilities.  For
> example:
> >> Word
> >> PowerPoint
> >> Excel
> >> Windows Operating Systems
> >> Windows Browsers
> >> 2.  Is there anything you wish Microsoft products 
> >> would/could/should do
> that they are not doing?
> >>
> >> 3.  In your opinion, what should Microsoft's accessibility 
> >> priorities
> be?
> >>
> >> Any help or input you could provide would be appreciated.  This is 
> >> a
> unique opportunity to get ideas and requests up the chain at 
> Microsoft, so please don't underestimate the importance of your feedback.
> >>
> >> Please share with others in your network as you see fit.  I will be
> reviewing the list with Anne Taylor the week of March 22nd, so there 
> is time to reach out to others.
> >> _________________
> >>
> >> For kids
> >>
> >> Jan McSorley
> >> Head of Accessibility
> >> School Line of Business
> >> Pearson Assessment Centre
> >>
> >> M: (512) 673-9569
> >> E: jan.mcsorley at pearson.com <javascript:;>
> >>
> >> Pearson
> >> Always Learning
> >> Learn more at www.pearsonk12.com
> >>
> >> We put a man on the moon in the 1960's ... surely we can make
> information
> technology fully accessible to people with disabilities.  It can be 
> done ...
> it must be done ... it will be done!
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