[nfbcs] NEW BOARD FOR THE NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE

Mon Jul 18 12:50:04 UTC 2016

I can certainly help with any or all of this if the board is open.

-Kevin

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Nancy Coffman via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning
> 
> You propose some good ideas. Are you volunteering to help with some of them? That is where we run into trouble. It takes time and resources to implement these things.
> 
> As for discouraging discussions on the list, you are correct that that has happened. Sometimes, we get questions that are basically technical support, and do not belong on this list. At times, after a lengthy thread, we have attempted to and or discourage such discussion. I think we are a pretty open group of people. Thank you for your ideas.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Kevin Fjelsted via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Brian;
>> Thank you for your note.
>> Following are some recommendations on how we can move forward with strengthening the   involvement of NFB in the computer science community.
>> 
>> 1) Create a content variable web site using an accessible package such as WordPress that will become a hub for resources promulgated by the NFB.
>> This site could have such resources such as* A list of accessible text books and there BRF content  which are commonly utilized by various CSCI professors. An example of such a book is Cormen, Thomas H., Charles E. Leiserson, Ronald L. Rivest, and Clifford Stein, Introduction to 
>> Algorithms, Third Edition, MIT Press, 2009, ISBN-10:  0-262-03384-4. If we tae a survey of the common introductory textbooks we could make sure there is a sampling available of these  in Braille. 
>> * Create a list of success stories with practical application of how NFB members  have utilized alternative techniques for fully participating in CSCI labs.
>> * Provide solutions for alternative accessibility techniques for obtaining board work such as Latex-Access.
>> 
>> * Create a list of success stories which highlight various CSCI jobs that NFB members are holding. 
>> 2) Begin an education campaign to reach out to popular CSCI professors in various universities so we can find those professors who are most open to keeping us abreast of the latest CSCI advancements and opportunities so when a prospective NFB member wishes to learn more about CSCI we are the resource that they come to. 
>> 3) Provide assistance including short courses for precollege students to learn programming and introductory CSCI. We would utilize inexpensive solutions such as Raspberry Pi, no cost development environments for Java, Python...
>> Online forums could be created along with on-line courses. These are just a few ideas. However the would represent I believe a huge departure from what the division has done in the past.
>> 
>> -Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   hello Kevin.  The mission of the NFB in Computer Science is to provide
>>> support for those blind persons working in the field of computer science,
>>> or related fields, or for students wishing to study and enter the field of
>>> computer science.  As you point out, much of the discussion that results
>>> from that support focuses on accessibility issues which may not seem to be
>>> related to computer science directly.  The problem is that you cannot work
>>> as a blind person in the field of computer science unless you can achieve
>>> enough access to allow you to function at a competitive level.  In the
>>> ideal world, all applicaitions and operating systems would be fully
>>> accessible. If that were so, our discussion lists and meetings would be
>>> filled with more discussions pertaining to issues appearing to be more
>>> closely related to computer science.  Alas, because access to the most
>>> basic of computer technologies remains challenging to this day, we end up
>>> discussing issues of accessibility because that is the biggest challenge
>>> facing blind folks who work in or wish to work in the field of computer
>>> science.
>>>   Having said all that, I'd like to point out that there have been
>>> several lively discussions on the nfbcs mailing list over the past few
>>> months which have been directly related to the topic of computer science. A
>>> young lady has been asking about which languages she should study in her
>>> quest to become proficient in the field of computer science.  Another young
>>> man recently asked about what kind of computer science degree he should get
>>> and what kinds of study it took to achieve it.  there have also been
>>> discussions by folks working in the field about how to gain efficiency
>>> using databases and spreadsheets.
>>> 
>>>   In our meeting, held in Orlando in July of this month, we had a talk
>>> by a blind app developer tell us how he creates and markets apps in the
>>> Apple and Google Play stores.
>>> 
>>>   In short, I believe the NFB in Computer Science is fulfilling its
>>> mission and that it is appropriately named.  You suggest that certain
>>> topics have been activly discouraged from being discussed on the nfbcs
>>> list.  As far as I'm aware, no one has discouraged the discussion of any
>>> relevant topics on this list. If there is a particular computer science
>>> related issue you think we need to address as an NFB division, please let
>>> us know what it is, either by e-mail to me, or by sending a note to the
>>> list.  I will be happy to address your concern, either by bringing it up
>>> before the NFBCS board, or by explaining why it is that we cannot address
>>> your topic directly.
>>> 
>>>   Thank you for writing.  I hope I've partially addressed your concerns
>>> and that I'll be able to further address them in future correspondence.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Brian Buhrow, President, NFB in Computer Science
>>> On Jul 17,  9:14am, Kevin Fjelsted wrote:
>>> } Subject: Re: [nfbcs] NEW BOARD FOR THE NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
>>> } I have a question  regarding the mission of the NFB In Computer Science =
>>> } division as it stands.=20
>>> } In reviewing the archives 99% of the work appears to be centered around =
>>> } accessibility/usability issues pertaining to computers. I see very =
>>> } little reference to actual computer science topics or furthering!
>>> } Since there is such a huge tilt towards general computer usage this =
>>> } means that computer science subjects don't appear to be welcome or =
>>> } emphasized.
>>> } Would it make more sense to change the name of this division by removing =
>>> }  "Computer Science" and then form a new division that focuses directly =
>>> } on computer Science topics as well as methods for forwarding BLind =
>>> } person's participation in Computer Science?
>>> } -Kevin
>>> } 
>>> } > On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Brian Buhrow via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> =
>>> } wrote:
>>> } >=20
>>> } >    Hello fellow NFB-CS members.  As the newly elected president of =
>>> } the
>>> } > NFB in Computer Science Division, it is my honor and duty to crib my
>>> } > immediate predecessor's announcement, below, of the changes to our =
>>> } board's
>>> } > membership.  I'd also like to say that it has been an honor and =
>>> } privilege
>>> } > to serve under Curtis Chong's presidency for a number of years.  He =
>>> } has
>>> } > served with honor and distinction in this capacity for a number of =
>>> } yers,
>>> } > and I have enjoyed working with and learning from him during some of =
>>> } those
>>> } > years.  I look forward to continuing to work with, and learn from, him =
>>> } in
>>> } > the coming years.
>>> } >=20
>>> } >    In addition, I'm interested in hearing from folks on this list =
>>> } about
>>> } > things they'd like to see the NFB in Computer Science do in the =
>>> } future.
>>> } > I can't promise we'll do them, but I can promise to take suggestions =
>>> } into
>>> } > consideration and to make the NFB in Computer Science the best and =
>>> } most
>>> } > vibrant it can be.
>>> } >=20
>>> } > sincerely,
>>> } >=20
>>> } > your humble president,=20
>>> } > Brian Buhrow
>>> } >=20
>>> } >=20
>>> } >=20
>>> } > At its 2016 meeting, held on Saturday, July 2, 2016, the National =
>>> } Federation
>>> } > of the Blind made  a change in the composition of its Board of =
>>> } Directors.=20
>>> } > Curtis Chong, its longstanding president, was elected treasurer, and =
>>> } Brian=20
>>> } > Buhrow, formerly a Board member, was elected president. Our officers =
>>> } and Board
>>> } > members are as follows:
>>> } >=20
>>> } > President, Brian Buhrow
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Vice President, Steve Jacobson
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Secretary, Louis Maher
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Treasurer, Curtis Chong
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Board members: Jim Barbour, Jeanine Lineback, and Lloyd Rasmussen
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Thank you.
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Cordially,
>>> } >=20
>>> } > Curtis Chong, Treasurer
>>> } > National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science
>>> } >=20
>>> } >=20
>>> } >=20
>>> } >=20
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>>>> -- End of excerpt from Kevin Fjelsted
>>> 
>>> 
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