[nfbcs] Research

Martin, Vincent F vincent.martin at gatech.edu
Thu Feb 23 05:01:53 UTC 2017 

If you accept any money in Federal Aid, then you are also subject to Section 504 of the Rehab Act.  This means that schools are covered under two separate laws.  Also, accommodations are subject to comparison against the entire school's budget.  Virtually each school that is sued will lose in court.

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From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andy Borka via nfbcs
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:44 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Andy Borka <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Research

Ultimately, no one provides a solution because the line in title 3 of the ADA that states a private entity is not required to provide public accommodations if doing so is a burden. Most schools try to use that as an easy way out. Since there isn’t a standard regulation forcing private entities to have public accommodations regardless of the circumstances, nothing will get done in this area.

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Sabra Ewing via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't know if it would have been helpful. Instead of providing 
> solutions, many people just talk about how difficult things are.
> 
> On 2/22/17, Mike Gorse via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I agree that any occupation can potentially be difficult.
>> 
>> I have a CS degree but am hesitant to fill out a survey about it--I 
>> haven't been in a college classroom since 2001, so my idea of what it 
>> is like might be dated, although I'd guess that one's experience will 
>> vary depending on the school. I sometimes had accessibility issues 
>> that I didn't resolve well; they were mainly with math and EE-type 
>> courses that were somewhat peripheral to what I felt that I needed to 
>> learn. Maybe it would've helped to be on a list such as this one.
>> 
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017, John Heim via nfbcs wrote:
>> 
>>> Any occupation can be difficult for a blind person. IMO, computer 
>>> science is one of the least problematic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 02/22/2017 11:13 AM, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> I have a CS degree. I cannot in good conscience recommend it to 
>>>> other blind students unless they accept that they will experience a 
>>>> lot of hurt. I don't have satisfying answers to most of your questions.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/21/17, Michael via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Andy,
>>>>> Thank you for your response. Before answering your questions, I 
>>>>> will
>>> preface
>>>>> my response that this project is entirely predicated on ensuring 
>>>>> other
>>> blind
>>>>> students, who may be considering computer science, do not do what 
>>>>> I did; namely, believing that blind people cannot do computer 
>>>>> science. Now, your
>>>>> questions:
>>>>> (1) No University, community college, or vocational school is 
>>>>> funding
>>> this;
>>>>> this is an assignment that I have received on behalf of the 
>>>>> Louisiana
>>> Center
>>>>> for the Blind (LCB) for my technology class.
>>>>> (2) I graduated from the University of Nevada, Reno, this past 
>>>>> December
>>> with
>>>>> an Honors B.A. in Philosophy with an emphasis in logic, 
>>>>> metaphysics, and epistemology.
>>>>> (3) This guide will serve to educate prospective computer science 
>>>>> students who are blind. When I was in high school, I was extremely 
>>>>> interested in doing computer science. I was told that blind people 
>>>>> could not do computer science; mistakenly, I believed this to be 
>>>>> true and thus proceeded into
>>> the
>>>>> liberal arts. If I can provide clarity to other students thinking 
>>>>> about computer science, or elucidate blind students when it comes 
>>>>> to the
>>> copasity
>>>>> of blind people, I would be very happy. As it stands, the only 
>>>>> place I
>>> know
>>>>> for sure this research will end up is the national Association of 
>>>>> Blind Students website, as I sit on the board and can make that happen.
>>> Otherwise,
>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>> (4) This is true. I did not make this anonymous. If people are 
>>>>> willing to answer, I would be very happy, and will of course cite 
>>>>> you, or not cite
>>> you,
>>>>> depending on your permission. If people are not willing to, I 
>>>>> totally understand that as well.
>>>>> I hope I was able to address your concerns.
>>>>> For anyone else who wishes to help me out, you can email your 
>>>>> responses to my email (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu) or, if you feel 
>>>>> confortible, just responding to this thread.
>>>>> Thank you again for all your attention and time!
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada.
>>>>> Secretary, National Association of blind Students Student, The 
>>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andy B. 
>>>>> via
>>> nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:24 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Andy B. <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Research
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am interested in answering these questions. However, you never 
>>>>> displayed your credentials or qualifications in the subject. What 
>>>>> school is funding this study? Where did you graduate and with what 
>>>>> degree? What do you
>>> intend
>>>>> on doing with the guide when it is finished? The results of this 
>>>>> survey
>>> are
>>>>> not anonymous. Therefore, people might be hesitant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>>>>> via
>>> nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:45 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Michael <mausbun at nevada.unr.edu>
>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Research
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All:
>>>>> 	My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am currently a student at the
>>> Louisiana
>>>>> Center for the Blind. I am conducting research, to develop a 
>>>>> comprehensive guide for prospective computer science students. I 
>>>>> would much appreciate
>>>>> 
>>> it
>>>>> if you would take some time and answer the following questions.
>>>>> 	Thank you for your attention in this matter.
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>> 
>>>>> Research questions:
>>>>> Advocacy:
>>>>> (1)	What accommodations do you believe were most beneficial to you in
>>>>> completing your degree?
>>>>> (2)	What accommodation(s) were necessary when completing visual
>>> components
>>>>> of one’s degree requirements?
>>>>> (3)	In what ways have you advocated for the modification of materials to
>>>>> ensure equal access for yourself or future computer science students?
>>>>> (4)	What is the most important question(s) a computer science student
>>> should
>>>>> ask their instructors before and during a selected course of study?
>>>>> (5)	Are there any Universities, companies, or organizations who have
>>>>> been
>>>>> greater benefactors?
>>>>> Academics:
>>>>> (1)	How much math and science is necessary for a person to be successful
>>>>> within the computer science field.
>>>>> (2)	In general, are materials accessible with access technology?
>>>>> (3)	What are some effective, and somewhat universal, techniques for
>>>>> manipulating and writing computer languages?
>>>>> (4)	In what ways did your assignments get modified, to establish equal
>>>>> access to all requirements?
>>>>> (5)	What are some effective ways for designing accessible algorithms and
>>>>> data structures?
>>>>> (6)	When developing a portfolio, did you find an accessible way of
>>> publicly
>>>>> displaying your code, or for hosting your portfolio?
>>>>> (7)	After publishing your code, what methods do you use to ensure the
>>>>> visible code is visually appealing or readable?
>>>>> (8)	Are there any courses you might recommend to take in high school to
>>>>> prepare someone going into the computer science field?
>>>>> (9)	Besides the source work required to obtain your degree, what
>>> additional
>>>>> course work might you recommend to enhance one’s employment 
>>>>> effectiveness?
>>>>> Access technology:
>>>>> (1)	What access technology gave you the greatest degree of opportunity
>>>>> to
>>>>> compete on an equal playing field with your peers?
>>>>> (2)	What challenges did access technology present when interacting with
>>> the
>>>>> technology required to complete tasks and assignments for your 
>>>>> computer science degree or profession?
>>>>> (3)	What role does access technology play in the completion of your
>>>>> daily
>>>>> assignments or tasks?
>>>>> (4)	How might modifications to standard technology create more
>>> opportunity
>>>>> for usability with access technology?
>>>>> General technology:
>>>>> (1)	In what ways is the general technology inaccessible when paired with
>>>>> access technology? Are there any work arounds for these issues?
>>>>> (2)	What sort of accommodations are necessary for the use of most
>>>>> general
>>>>> technology used in this field of study or profession?
>>>>> (3)	Can standard tasks be completed on a unit without extensive
>>> modification
>>>>> or accommodations?
>>>>> Does most technology come ready to use? Are there ways to increase 
>>>>> one’s productivity when using Python JavaScript C++ swift and 
>>>>> racket, and integrated development environments (IDEs)—such as 
>>>>> CodeLite, Eclipse, NetBeans, VisualWX, Xcode, and KDevelop?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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