[nfbcs] Research

Mon Feb 27 15:58:48 UTC 2017

Hi Amanda

I have suggested these a few times innthe past and will suggest them again

USAA hires tons of college grads in CS and IT. They are very into diversity
and are extemely supportive of those with various disabilities. I am one of
at least 10 legally blind or totally blind employees. There are 5 in CS or
IT alone. They have offices in Plano and San Antonio. They did just open a
location in Austin but i believe it is only for design. I had no issues at
all getting zoomtext, large monitors and a portable cctv camera. Others
have Braille fisplays and or use JAWS.

Also the best place to find a job in CS as a woman and with a disability is
at the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computer Science job fair. It
will be in Houston again this year.

Suzanne

On Sunday, February 26, 2017, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> > How long have you been in your current job? Maybe it's time for a change.
>
> I've done some contract work and am working on a couple of projects,
> but I'm still searching for my first job. People at UT Austin made
> several assumptions about what type of job it should be without
> discussing it with me or thinking their assumptions through.
>
> Examples:
>
> My living expenses are very low and the chances I'll start a family
> are zero. Why is earning 80k a year better than 60k if the 60k job is
> less stressful? After my school experience I value predictability and
> stability. The assumption seems to be that I want high risk with the
> possibility of a huge monetary reward. But again, I took programming
> courses because they were fun and offered me a career path, not
> because I wanted to become a stressed-out millionaire.
>
> I've lived in Austin for more than 12 years and I'm 30, not 22. Why
> would I want to move across the continent (especially if there are
> jobs right here) and leave behind everyone and everything I have ever
> known?
>
> No one could really answer these questions once I posed them.
> Honestly, I'm not sure what an entry-level job should look like or
> what my choices are.
>
> Amanda
>
> on 4/17, John Heim via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > It sounds to me as if you just need some confidence. My experience is
> > that often if someone thinks they can't do a job, it's the job, not the
> > person.  Truely incompetant people usually think they're doing fine. How
> > long have you been in your current job? Maybe it's time for a change.
> >
> >
> > On 02/24/2017 03:55 PM, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
> >>> I don't understand your question. Are you saying that you feel your
> >>> education was inadequate or are you saying that being blind, you fell
> >>> that you couldn't cash in on having a CS degree?
> >>
> >> Probably both, but mostly the latter. I tend to assume that everyone
> >> around me knows some key piece of information that I'm missing because
> >> this has been my experience many times. At UT Austin almost all key
> >> information is spread through word of mouth.
> >>
> >>> It may not be directly relevant to your point but I would add that
> there
> >>> certainly are easier ways for a blind person to get by in life than
> >>> getting a CS degree and fighting with computers every day. It isn't
> >>> easy. But for some people, that's what they like about it. Being
> someone
> >>> who thrives on challenges is a valuable trait for anyone who works with
> >>> computers but especially for a blind person.
> >>
> >> Fighting with computers is one thing, with people a very different
> >> thing. People are usually more confusing than computers.
> >>
> >> On 2/24/17, John Heim via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>> I don't understand your question. Are you saying that you feel your
> >>> education was inadequate or are you saying that being blind, you fell
> >>> that you couldn't cash in on having a CS degree?
> >>>
> >>> It may not be directly relevant to your point but I would add that
> there
> >>> certainly are easier ways for a blind person to get by in life than
> >>> getting a CS degree and fighting with computers every day. It isn't
> >>> easy. But for some people, that's what they like about it. Being
> someone
> >>> who thrives on challenges is a valuable trait for anyone who works with
> >>> computers but especially for a blind person.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 02/24/2017 12:47 PM, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
> >>>> I wasn't arguing that a CS degree generally isn't worth it. But if I
> >>>> technically have a CS degree but I missed out on most of the benefits
> >>>> it was supposed to bring, am I truly prepared or qualified for these
> >>>> jobs that require CS degrees?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/24/17, John Heim via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>>>> The issue of the value of a degree has come up before on this list.
> In
> >>>>> my capacity as President of IAVIT, I've talked to IT managers about
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> before. I happened to be on a run with a group of guys a couple of
> >>>>> weeks
> >>>>> ago. One of them was the manager of an IT department for a company
> with
> >>>>> maybe a hundred employees in a handful of states.
> >>>>> I brought up this issue about some blind people thinking a degree
> isn't
> >>>>> worth it. He was, in turn, shocked, amused, then horrified. First he
> >>>>> expressed surprise, then he made a little joke. Then when I explained
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> really was controversial, he was horrified. He said essentially that
> a
> >>>>> blind person already has such an uphill battle that you really don't
> >>>>> need to add not having a degree on top of it.  He said they get so
> many
> >>>>> applications for entry level positions that they don't need to bother
> >>>>> with people who don't have a degree in CS or related field. They
> don't
> >>>>> even bother with people who don't have degrees for a lot of mid-level
> >>>>> positions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I asked him, "Which would be worse, having a misspelling on your
> >>>>> resume or not having a degree?" He said, "You know, quite honestly,
> the
> >>>>> degree would be a bigger problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having a degree so greatly expands the number of positions you
> qualify
> >>>>> for that is absolutely worth it especially for a blind person.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 02/24/2017 06:31 AM, Joseph C. Lininger via nfbcs wrote:
> >>>>>> Amanda,
> >>>>>> Worth while is the point I'm disagreeing with you on. Pretty much
> any
> >>>>>> degree is "doable", but as you point out with some there's no point
> >>>>>> because you won't be able to learn or do anything with that degree
> >>>>>> once
> >>>>>> you finish. That doesn't just apply to blind people either; there
> are
> >>>>>> worthless degrees out there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What I am arguing is that it is in fact worth while. I studied
> >>>>>> computer
> >>>>>> science at a couple of schools. In both cases, I was able to learn
> the
> >>>>>> material and I was able to complete most of the course work. There
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>> a couple of situations where I needed some extra help, and there
> were
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> couple of major assignments I can remember where the professor had
> me
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>> an alternative assignment. In those cases, it wasn't because I
> >>>>>> couldn't
> >>>>>> do the work in question, it was because the visual aspects weren't
> the
> >>>>>> point of the assignment and I could get the same information by
> doing
> >>>>>> something else.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for whether the degree is worth while from a career perspective,
> >>>>>> well, you can have quite a lengthy discussion on that particular
> >>>>>> question. As someone who has worked in the field for years, both
> with
> >>>>>> and without a CS degree, what I will say about it is this. If you
> want
> >>>>>> to work in the computer science field, as in the deep technical
> >>>>>> aspects
> >>>>>> of it and not just as a network admin or help desk rep or something
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>> that, you almost have to have a computer science degree these days.
> It
> >>>>>> is possible to get hired as a software developer or other highly
> >>>>>> technical job without the degree, but it is not easy and the best
> jobs
> >>>>>> go to those with the degree.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/23/2017 13:34, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
> >>>>>>> Joe,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree that it's doable. Whether it's worthwhile is another
> >>>>>>> question.
> >>>>>>> I transferred to UT Austin because I loved programming and
> learning.
> >>>>>>> Once there, I spent much more time struggling with access than I
> >>>>>>> spent
> >>>>>>> programming or learning.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2/22/17, Joseph C. Lininger via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Amanda,
> >>>>>>>> I have to disagree. I currently have an under grad degree in CS,
> and
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> am working on a Ph.D. I am also employed full time as a computer
> >>>>>>>> scientist. There are some issues the blind will experience with
> >>>>>>>> technical degrees that are unique to those degrees, but it's
> >>>>>>>> definitely
> >>>>>>>> doable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Joe
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2/22/2017 12:13, Amanda Lacy via nfbcs wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I have a CS degree. I cannot in good conscience recommend it to
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>> blind students unless they accept that they will experience a lot
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> hurt. I don't have satisfying answers to most of your questions.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2/21/17, Michael via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Andy,
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your response. Before answering your questions, I
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> preface
> >>>>>>>>>> my response that this project is entirely predicated on ensuring
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>> blind
> >>>>>>>>>> students, who may be considering computer science, do not do
> what
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> did;
> >>>>>>>>>> namely, believing that blind people cannot do computer science.
> >>>>>>>>>> Now, your
> >>>>>>>>>> questions:
> >>>>>>>>>> (1) No University, community college, or vocational school is
> >>>>>>>>>> funding
> >>>>>>>>>> this;
> >>>>>>>>>> this is an assignment that I have received on behalf of the
> >>>>>>>>>> Louisiana
> >>>>>>>>>> Center
> >>>>>>>>>> for the Blind (LCB) for my technology class.
> >>>>>>>>>> (2) I graduated from the University of Nevada, Reno, this past
> >>>>>>>>>> December
> >>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> an Honors B.A. in Philosophy with an emphasis in logic,
> >>>>>>>>>> metaphysics, and
> >>>>>>>>>> epistemology.
> >>>>>>>>>> (3) This guide will serve to educate prospective computer
> science
> >>>>>>>>>> students
> >>>>>>>>>> who are blind. When I was in high school, I was extremely
> >>>>>>>>>> interested in
> >>>>>>>>>> doing computer science. I was told that blind people could not
> do
> >>>>>>>>>> computer
> >>>>>>>>>> science; mistakenly, I believed this to be true and thus
> proceeded
> >>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> liberal arts. If I can provide clarity to other students
> thinking
> >>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> computer science, or elucidate blind students when it comes to
> the
> >>>>>>>>>> copasity
> >>>>>>>>>> of blind people, I would be very happy. As it stands, the only
> >>>>>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>> for sure this research will end up is the national Association
> of
> >>>>>>>>>> Blind
> >>>>>>>>>> Students website, as I sit on the board and can make that
> happen.
> >>>>>>>>>> Otherwise,
> >>>>>>>>>> I have no idea.
> >>>>>>>>>> (4) This is true. I did not make this anonimis. If people are
> >>>>>>>>>> willing to
> >>>>>>>>>> answer, I would be very happy, and will of course cite you, or
> not
> >>>>>>>>>> cite
> >>>>>>>>>> you,
> >>>>>>>>>> depending on your permission. If people are not willing to, I
> >>>>>>>>>> totally
> >>>>>>>>>> understand that as well.
> >>>>>>>>>> I hope I was able to address your concerns.
> >>>>>>>>>> For anyone else who wishes to help me out, you can email your
> >>>>>>>>>> responses
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> my email (mausbun at nevada.unr.edu <javascript:;>) or, if you
> feel confortible,
> >>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>> responding to this thread.
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you again for all your attention and time!
> >>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Ausbun
> >>>>>>>>>> Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada.
> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary, National Association of blind Students
> >>>>>>>>>> Student, The Louisiana Center for the Blind
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>]
> On Behalf Of Andy B.
> >>>>>>>>>> via
> >>>>>>>>>> nfbcs
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:24 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Andy B. <sonfire11 at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Research
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am interested in answering these questions. However, you never
> >>>>>>>>>> displayed
> >>>>>>>>>> your credentials or qualifications in the subject. What school
> is
> >>>>>>>>>> funding
> >>>>>>>>>> this study? Where did you graduate and with what degree? What do
> >>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>> intend
> >>>>>>>>>> on doing with the guide when it is finished? The results of this
> >>>>>>>>>> survey
> >>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>> not anonymous. Therefore, people might be hesitant.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>]
> On Behalf Of Michael
> >>>>>>>>>> via
> >>>>>>>>>> nfbcs
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:45 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Michael <mausbun at nevada.unr.edu <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Research
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello All:
> >>>>>>>>>>     My name is Michael Ausbun, and I am currently a student at
> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Louisiana
> >>>>>>>>>> Center for the Blind. I am conducting research, to develop a
> >>>>>>>>>> comprehensive
> >>>>>>>>>> guide for prospective computer science students. I would much
> >>>>>>>>>> appreciate
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> if you would take some time and answer the following questions.
> >>>>>>>>>>     Thank you for your attention in this matter.
> >>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Ausbun
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Research questions:
> >>>>>>>>>> Advocacy:
> >>>>>>>>>> (1)    What accommodations do you believe were most beneficial
> to
> >>>>>>>>>> you in
> >>>>>>>>>> completing your degree?
> >>>>>>>>>> (2)    What accommodation(s) were necessary when completing
> visual
> >>>>>>>>>> components
> >>>>>>>>>> of one’s degree requirements?
> >>>>>>>>>> (3)    In what ways have you advocated for the modification of
> >>>>>>>>>> materials to
> >>>>>>>>>> ensure equal access for yourself or future computer science
> >>>>>>>>>> students?
> >>>>>>>>>> (4)    What is the most important question(s) a computer science
> >>>>>>>>>> student
> >>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>> ask their instructors before and during a selected course of
> >>>>>>>>>> study?
> >>>>>>>>>> (5)    Are there any Universities, companies, or organizations
> who
> >>>>>>>>>> have been
> >>>>>>>>>> greater benefactors?
> >>>>>>>>>> Academics:
> >>>>>>>>>> (1)    How much math and science is necessary for a person to be
> >>>>>>>>>> successful
> >>>>>>>>>> within the computer science field.
> >>>>>>>>>> (2)    In general, are materials accessible with access
> >>>>>>>>>> technology?
> >>>>>>>>>> (3)    What are some effective, and somewhat universal,
> techniques
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> manipulating and writing computer languages?
> >>>>>>>>>> (4)    In what ways did your assignments get modified, to
> >>>>>>>>>> establish
> >>>>>>>>>> equal
> >>>>>>>>>> access to all requirements?
> >>>>>>>>>> (5)    What are some effective ways for designing accessible
> >>>>>>>>>> algorithms and
> >>>>>>>>>> data structures?
> >>>>>>>>>> (6)    When developing a portfolio, did you find an accessible
> way
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> publicly
> >>>>>>>>>> displaying your code, or for hosting your portfolio?
> >>>>>>>>>> (7)    After publishing your code, what methods do you use to
> >>>>>>>>>> ensure the
> >>>>>>>>>> visible code is visually appealing or readable?
> >>>>>>>>>> (8)    Are there any courses you might recommend to take in high
> >>>>>>>>>> school to
> >>>>>>>>>> prepare someone going into the computer science field?
> >>>>>>>>>> (9)    Besides the source work required to obtain your degree,
> >>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>>>>> course work might you recommend to enhance one’s employment
> >>>>>>>>>> effectiveness?
> >>>>>>>>>> Access technology:
> >>>>>>>>>> (1)    What access technology gave you the greatest degree of
> >>>>>>>>>> opportunity to
> >>>>>>>>>> compete on an equal playing field with your peers?
> >>>>>>>>>> (2)    What challenges did access technology present when
> >>>>>>>>>> interacting with
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> technology required to complete tasks and assignments for your
> >>>>>>>>>> computer
> >>>>>>>>>> science degree or profession?
> >>>>>>>>>> (3)    What role does access technology play in the completion
> of
> >>>>>>>>>> your daily
> >>>>>>>>>> assignments or tasks?
> >>>>>>>>>> (4)    How might modifications to standard technology create
> more
> >>>>>>>>>> opportunity
> >>>>>>>>>> for usability with access technology?
> >>>>>>>>>> General technology:
> >>>>>>>>>> (1)    In what ways is the general technology inaccessible when
> >>>>>>>>>> paired with
> >>>>>>>>>> access technology? Are there any work arounds for these issues?
> >>>>>>>>>> (2)    What sort of accommodations are necessary for the use of
> >>>>>>>>>> most general
> >>>>>>>>>> technology used in this field of study or profession?
> >>>>>>>>>> (3)    Can standard tasks be completed on a unit without
> extensive
> >>>>>>>>>> modification
> >>>>>>>>>> or accommodations?
> >>>>>>>>>> Does most technology come ready to use? Are there ways to
> increase
> >>>>>>>>>> one’s
> >>>>>>>>>> productivity when using Python JavaScript C++ swift and racket,
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> integrated development environments (IDEs)—such as CodeLite,
> >>>>>>>>>> Eclipse,
> >>>>>>>>>> NetBeans, VisualWX, Xcode, and KDevelop?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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