[nfbcs] A+ Certification

Mon May 1 01:46:35 UTC 2017

I'm not sure about the exams we're talking about here, but I don't find 
that a reader and a scribe are as efficient as a sighted person reading 
and taking an exam or even as efficient as a blind person using a screen 
reader and an accessible exam. Explaining formatting, rereading answers, 
dictating answers and waiting for them to be recorded, and so on, all 
takes a bit more time then a sighted person takes when taking a test. 
This is even more true if the reader isn't familiar with the material.

On 30/04/17 19:05, Bryan Schulz via nfbcs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is no need for this paranoia!
> The person reads the question exactly as it appears on the screen.
> If you know the topics, the person can finish the exams without extra time!
> Bryan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via
> nfbcs
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:57 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
> Cc: Nancy Coffman
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] A+ Certification
>
> Hello
>
> I would definitely ask for the opportunity to practice with the reader they
> have chosen. I would emphasize that I need to figure out how best to
> communicate with that reader, so that my answers and their way of asking the
> questions is understood.
>
> Nancy Coffman
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 29, 2017, at 12:30 PM, David Andrews via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> You are right that this is a generational thing, to a great extent. Those
> of us who are older came of age using readers. It was often the only
> solution we had.
>>
>> As others have pointed out, using a reader can be a viable solution, and
> with a good reader, and a user who is comfortable utilizing that reader, it
> can be as quick, or quicker than a screen reader.
>>
>> Access has come a long way, there are often multiple approaches to
> something.  Younger people have gotten used to doing stuff on their own,
> which is good.  However, there will be occasions when other alternatives may
> need to be considered, or used.
>>
>> I would urge younger people to learn to use all tools available to them,
> and be flexible in their approach.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> As At 02:38 PM 4/27/2017, you wrote:
>>> There are many reasons why a human reader is not the same as using a
> screen
>>> reader.  If you need to review a question multiple times, who feels
>>> comfortable asking a reader to do this?  Plus, a screen reader is much
>>> faster.  How is someone supposed to pass an exam with two minutes per
>>> question with a human reader?  Maybe I'm just being a product of my
>>> generation and I have different expectations for accommodations than all
> of
>>> you who got through college with human readers.  I admire you for this,
> but
>>> technology is such now that I should not have to accept this any more as
> a
>>> solution.  And I won't.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
> via
>>> nfbcs
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 3:29 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>; Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] A+ Certification
>>>
>>> Who supplies the reader? I went through college for my  computer science
>>> degree using nothing but human readers. Why is A human reader not equal
>>> access The exam?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Written While on the Move
>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Bryan Schulz via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I explained it before and you still don't understand what a time limit
> is.
>>>> Even with being allowed double time, you won't be able to complete
>>>> both exams because of the interface even if allowed to install jaws
>>>> which isn't an option.
>>>> Depending on how much you study, both exams can be passed with only
>>>> normal time and a reader.
>>>> What type of jobs do you hope to apply for?
>>>> Obtaining a+ didn't help one bit to obtain a help desk position.
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>> Spangler via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:38 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
>>>> Cc: Robert Spangler; 'NFB of Ohio Announcement and Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] A+ Certification
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone:
>>>>
>>>> I will be applying to take the A+ certification exam.  I know I asked
>>>> about this a while back.  Someone responded and told me that the only
>>>> accommodation that they will offer for this exam is a human reader,
>>>> which to me is not acceptable.  I would prefer to take the exam on a
>>>> computer with JAWS/NVDA.  I know this same issue was brought up with
>>>> the BAR exam and it was solved through litigation.  I am prepared to
>>>> raise the same stink in regards to blind people receiving fair and
>>>> just accommodations.  I would like your opinions - is it worth it?
>>>> Why wasn't the decision on the BAR exam case binding on other testing
>>>> companies?  If I did succeed in being able to take the exam on the
>>>> computer with a screen reader, would the exam be accessible?  I look
>>>> forward to your responses.  I'm getting pretty damn fed up with the
> belief
>>> that a human reader is providing equal access.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, there is part of me that just wants to take the
>>>> exam and get it over with...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert Spangler
>>>> Secretary, Miami Valley Chapter of the National Federation of the
>>>> Blind of Ohio Spangler.robert at gmail.com
>>
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