[nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
Kevin
kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 13 17:54:42 UTC 2018
I don't believe anyone is finger pointing. This thread seems to have
struck a nerve and I have mixed feelings about that.
On 8/13/2018 1:38 PM, Jack Heim via nfbcs wrote:
> The first thing we need to do is to stop pointing fingers at each other.
>
> It is proper for those of us who are highly motivated and successful
> to take pride in our accomplishments. But everybody makes mistakes. If
> you are successful, some of it is just plain luck. Some of it was that
> you happened to be in the right place at the right time. Some of it is
> that nothing else whent wrong at a key moment in your life. And like
> Vince Lombardi said, "Fatigue makes cowards of us all." You can have
> the motivation beaten out of you. At the very least, we have to stop
> letting the few people who are only out to take advantage of the
> system define our own picture of who we are. Those people exist but
> they are not us.
>
> One time, on another list, someone posted a story about how a woman
> had gotten kicked out of a fast food restaurant because she had a
> guide dog. When the police showed up, they asked if it was a "Seeing
> Eye" dog. She said, no, it was a guide dog from some other school.
> Then the police sided with the restaurant. On the email list, there
> was a huge debate over whether it was the woman's own fault that she
> got kicked out of the restaurant. I don't think the woman did anything
> wrong. But even if she did, so what? Too many people said that if
> they were there, they'd have handled it differently. Fine, maybe you
> are perfect and this woman isn't. So what?
>
> There is a huge difference between telling someone who has been
> knocked down time after time that they need to take a look in the
> mirror and telling them that they just absolutely have to get up one
> more time.
>
> On 08/12/2018 08:36 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> Where do you believe advocates and blind people need to focus their
>> attention in order to solve this problem?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jack Heim via nfbcs
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:39 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jack Heim <john at johnheim.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>>
>> Kevin, I'd like to know what your experience has been in the blind
>> community. Because the more work I do, the less I think focusing on
>> the man
>> in the mirror is a meaningful message. In my experience, most blind
>> people
>> are already highly motivated. In fact, I'd say mostpeople who are not
>> disabled have no idea how motivated the average disabled person is.
>> I've seen examples of strength that would make a lot of guys in special
>> forces blanche. For example, the last time I was at the guide dog school
>> there was a woman there getting a dog. She was about 30 and she had
>> multiple
>> Sclerosis. Every morning, we would be at breakfast and she would be
>> bubbling
>> on about how excited she was about that day's training. We were going
>> to do
>> crowds, escalators, whatever. And every day, she would get off the bus,
>> tears running down her cheeks because she hadn't done half of what
>> she had
>> planned and was totally eshausted.
>> MS is a fi'in mean disease. But then the next morning, she would be
>> right
>> back at it. She would be sitting there all excited about that day's
>> training.
>>
>> I've seen people get knocked down dozens of times and get right back
>> up and
>> just try harder. You get a rejection letter after a job interview
>> -- their loss. From what I see, I just don't know where the strength
>> comes
>> from.
>>
>>
>> It's all good to tell people to look at the man in the mirror but I
>> gotta
>> say, for most blind people, I think they could do that with pride.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2018 11:54 AM, Kevin via nfbcs wrote:
>> > It is not so broken that we get nowhere. It seems that you take
>> a dim
>> > view indeed. The system needs work but why not rise abuv it? Do
>> you
>> > feel it's hopeless to do so?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/12/2018 12:50 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>> >> The point is people will not get anywhere if the legal system is
>> >> broken and discrimination is allowed to continue. Motivate all the
>> >> blind people in the world to work and it will mostly fail if the
>> >> broken system of rules and regulations + the wall of discrimination
>> >> continues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via nfbcs
>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:43 PM
>> >> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> >> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>> >>
>> >> That is only one half of the equation. We must drive one
>> another on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/12/2018 12:37 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>> >>> No offense taken. However, with a broken system known as the ADA
>> >>> (2008), the problem needs a more direct approach such as
>> lobbying or
>> >>> new/revised legislation.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via
>> nfbcs
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 6:20 PM
>> >>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree and I meant no offense by this. I was operating under the
>> >>> theory that if we can empower the blind to get involved, we can in
>> >>> turn empower the sighted to at least take some baby steps towards
>> >>> hiring the blind.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/11/2018 5:42 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>> >>>> We don't need to convince blind people to get out and work. We
>> need
>> >>>> to convince employers to hire qualified blind people to do the
>> work.
>> >>>> More people are denied work because of disability, age, and other
>> >>>> protected classes set out by the ADA and EEOC. With a blog to
>> >>>> convince blind people to get out and contribute, more employers
>> >>>> might think we are lazy and can't do much. Besides, performing
>> >>>> research doesn't pay the bills.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via
>> nfbcs
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:55 PM
>> >>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>> >>>> Subject: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I post this in the hopes that it inspires blind computer
>> scientists
>> >>>> to help the field as a whole advance. Let's Encourage blind
>> >>>> researchers to get out there! I have created a blog of essays,
>> >>>> algorithms, and anything related to computer science. The
>> goal is
>> >>>> to show the world that blind people can have a voice in computer
>> >>>> science. The link is:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://tfotaj.blogspot.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Enjoy! P.S. contributors are welcome.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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