[nfbcs] Complaint against Epic

[Gary Wunder]

Hello, Nancy. I do not know the answer to your question. I speculate that
you cannot bring an action on behalf of someone else. My rudimentary
understanding is this: you watch as someone shoves me to the ground and
takes my wallet. You are offended, but I do not want to press charges. If
you try to bring them, you are considered by the court as having no dog in
the fight. One of the obstacles we have to overcome in entering any court
case is to show that we do have skin in the game. So I don't think you can
hear about problems that I once had with the University of Missouri and
decide to be my advocate to keep the heat off me. Likewise, I do not believe
that I can be an advocate for Tracy unless she decides to call me as a
witness.

I think the legal term for all of this dog in the fight or skin in the game
is called standing. I hope I'm wrong, but this is my understanding of the
law.


-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Coffman via
nfbcs
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:37 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Cc: Nancy Coffman; Tracy Carcione
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Complaint against Epic

Is there a way to report other institutions whom have knowingly implemented
Epix when they have been asked point blank if it is accessible and said yes.
I was at a meeting with a person who works for our hospital system, and a
woman from Epix. They acted like it was accessible. I knew it was not, but
was not in a position to argue at that moment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Tracy Carcione via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Thanks, John and Gary.
> I know what you say is true.  My boss thinks that the legacy system will
run
> until pretty close to when most of us in the group are ready to retire,
> which is good, but I bet there will be less and less interesting work well
> before it is actually turned off.
> As I vaguely recall the Epic complaint, it seemed like the front-end of
the
> system was not accessible.  I might, for instance, be able to run queries
> against the data, but not be able to log onto the front end and verify the
> data.  Not ideal, but doable.
> I've asked my boss to reach out to his contacts in the new group and find
> out about what work is being done.  One of the bosses of the new group
used
> to be one of my bosses, so he knows me and the kinds of work I do very
well,
> so he should be able to shed some light on the subject.
> 
> I'd be willing to undertake training for the new system and see how it
goes,
> but it requires travelling to another state.  That's fine, but I don't
want
> to make the trip, then find out I can't do anything once I get there.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wunder via
> nfbcs
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
> Cc: Gary Wunder
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Complaint against Epic
> 
> Just one caution: it is very flattering to be told that one contains
> institutional memory and that he or she is needed to maintain a legacy
> system. It is very reassuring to hear that as soon as that legacy system
> goes away, one will be trained on the new system. The truth is that by the
> time you get through with the legacy system, the people who know the new
> system will already have their assignments, you will be the low man on the
> totem pole, and you and your management will be looking for other work for
> you to do.
> 
> It is very difficult for one to think about suing his employer. The
> alternative, however, is to watch your job go away in violation of the
law.
> I'd be glad to talk with you about this in person.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nfbcs
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:56 AM
> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [nfbcs] Complaint against Epic
> 
> I am happy to read about our complaint against Epic, though annoyed it had
> to happen.
> 
> My shop is switching to Epic.  I theoretically have a choice, whether to
go
> to the Epic group or stay and support the legacy system.  But our
complaint
> makes me think I actually have no choice in the matter at all.  Makes me
> glad I'm getting old enough to consider retirement.  It will be boring
just
> working on the legacy system, but at least it's a job, for now.
> 
> Tracy
> 
> 
> 
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