[nfbcs] LaTeX [was "Re: Computer science mentors?"]
Jack Heim
john at johnheim.com
Fri Mar 30 00:51:35 UTC 2018
I am not sure what you are saying but I would bet my house that you are
disputing a point I never made. If you think that I was saying you are
on your own when it comes to accessibility issues, you couldn't be
further from the truth. I believe that instructors have a legal
obligation to make class materials accessible. But I know they have an
ethical obligation to do so. I have been trying to start a mentoring
program for disabled students at the University Of Wisconsin because I
heard so many horror stories from students at other universities.
Sometimes instructors seem to think a student's accessibility issues are
not their problem. I once heard from a student who said her instructor
said he didn't see why her disability should make extra work for him.
IMO, an instructor like that ought to be fired. That ought to be grounds
for dismissal.
But just to be clear, this is completely tangential to the point I was
making.
On 03/29/2018 05:41 PM, Bryan Schulz via nfbcs wrote:> Hi,
>
> I say you're FOS!
> A person new to a class is supposed to know a program like cisco
packet tracer the first time they sit down and figure it out yourself
when it doesn't tell you squat with jaws?
> FO mr. high & mighty!
> Bryan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of John Heim via nfbcs
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:55 AM
> To: sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com; 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'
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> Cc: John Heim <john at johnheim.com>
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] LaTeX [was "Re: Computer science mentors?"]
>
> If you are a new college student, I can almost guarantee that one
thing you will be shocked at is how much you are expected to do for
yourself.
> It's a shock for nearly every freshman student and sometimes more so
for disabled students who often have overly protective parents. A good
example of how much you're expected to pick up on your own is latex
itself. I used to teach a mini-course on latex at the University Of
Wisconsin. But I don't do that anymore because students are expected to
know it by the time they get here. And if they don't, they are expected
to google it and get themselves up to speed.
>
> By the way, the better the school, the more they are going to expect
you to do on your own. Part of having high academic standards is
demanding a lot from the students. A good school also has good safety
nets but the school's reputation depends in part on putting out
graduates who can make it in the real world. In the real world, you are
going to have to take it a step further. You're going to be expected not
only to pick things up on your ow, you are going to be expected to
decide for yourself what you need to pick up. Maybe someday latex will
be obsolete.
> You are going to be expected to recognize that and to advise your
employer to switch to something new. It's even more true in academia
where researchers are expected to break new ground all the time.
>
> If you are interested in a career in technology, the best skills you
can develop are those that allow you to learn things on your own. No
question.
>
>
>
> On 03/29/2018 10:03 AM, Sarah Jevnikar wrote:
>> Thanks everyone! Also thanks to whoever changed the subject line.
>> I currently have MiKTeX, Winedt and Notepad++ installed and am
making use of bookshare books and Google, but I've been spoiled with
step-by-step courses in life so need to get used to a more self-directed
way of learning. I also need to get over the intimidation factor. And
learn how to use Winedt...
>> Thanks again!
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> Sarah Jevnikar
>> http://www.twitter.com/sarahjevnikar/
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahjevnikar
>> sarah.jevnikar at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of John Heim
via nfbcs
>> Sent: March 29, 2018 10:12 AM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Cc: John Heim
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] LaTeX [was "Re: Computer science mentors?"]
>>
>> I do exactly the same things. I've been using latex since long
before the world wide web existed but now a days, I google it. The
wikibook on latex is an excellent place to start. After creating the doc
in latex, I convert it to a pdf with pdflatex and that's the document I
sent out.
>> This is all linux, of course. That's another issue.
>>
>>
>> On 03/29/2018 06:33 AM, Christopher Chaltain via nfbcs wrote:
>>> While you're waiting for Tyler, I'll just say that I used on line
>>> tutorials and examples when learning LaTeX. For example, if I want to
>>> use LaTeX to write a personal letter, I'll Google for LaTeX and
>>> letters and find a ton of samples to choose from and use as a starting
>>> point. I use pdflatex to turn my LaTeX markup into a PDF document.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/28/2018 08:37 PM, Sarah Jevnikar via nfbcs wrote:
>>>> Tyler, I'm sure I've asked you this before (so apologies for any
>>>> spam) but how did you learn LaTeX? What do you use to compile it?
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: March 26, 2018 1:52 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Littlefield, Tyler
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Computer science mentors?
>>>>
>>>> Kendra:
>>>> I've never done anything with climatology, but I'm happy to help
>>>> answer questions, give you pointers, whatever I can do. I used LaTex
>>>> for all of my math courses. Please feel free to get in touch.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> On 3/26/2018 1:25 PM, Kendra Schaber via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>> I’m looking for a mentor in the computer science field. I need to
>>>>> learn computer science and know very little of this field. I have to
>>>>> learn Latex and take a few computer science courses as part of my
>>>>> climatology degree. Does anyone know where to find the right mentor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessed be!!!
>>>>> Kendra Schaber,
>>>>> Citizen Phenologist,
>>>>> Aspiring climatology Student;
>>>>> Preparing to attend Chemeketa Community College for a transfer
>>>>> degree with a climatology degree at Oregon State University,
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind, Capitol Chapter, Salem, Oregon.
>>>>> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear" Author Unknown.
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