[NFBCS] Linux users

Andy Borka sonfire11 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 6 00:50:52 UTC 2019 

The OSX terminal with VoiceOver always felt strange and against the 
intuitive nature.


On 8/5/19 3:42 PM, Jack Heim via NFBCS wrote:
> Are you saying you write code for Linux via ssh and vim in a MacOS 
> Terminal window? If so, you are a far more patient man than I, that's 
> for sure. I can see doing that for the occasional minor config change 
> but major changes and/or programming? If you are doing that, you are 
> making your life way too hard.
>
> On 8/5/19 1:27 PM, Bryan Duarte via NFBCS wrote:
>>> Ryan, Voiceover is perfect when navigating the entire terminal 
>>> output and within editors like nano or VIM. I personally do not use 
>>> nano but I use VIM all the time.
>>> Bryan Duarte | software engineer
>>>
>>> ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student
>>> IGERT Fellow
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>>> Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (CUbiC Lab)
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>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Ryan Mann via NFBCS <nfbcs at nfbnet.org 
>>>> <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How good is the cursor tracking when you use VoiceOver and SSH?  If 
>>>> you use an editor like Nano, can you use the arrow keys and move 
>>>> around in Nano with VoiceOver reading accurately?  This is 
>>>> important if you need to edit configuration files.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Greg Kearney via NFBCS 
>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that we are talking about running Lunix from the terminal 
>>>>> wouldn't a solution be to just ssh into the Linux computer from a 
>>>>> MacOS computer running VoiceOver and just use VoiceOver and the 
>>>>> screen reader for the terminal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 9:24 PM, Christopher Chaltain via NFBCS 
>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last version of Vinux, version 5, is based off of Ubuntu 
>>>>>> 14.04. Ubuntu 14.04 was a long term supported (LTS) release, so 
>>>>>> it's official support ended a few months ago in April of 2019. 
>>>>>> Ubuntu 16.04and Ubuntu 18.04 are also LTS releases and will still 
>>>>>> be supported for a few more years. I find both of them to be 
>>>>>> accessible out of the box, although you'll need to start Orca 
>>>>>> with the alt+super+s key command after you've booted the distro 
>>>>>> from the install media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we're talking about using Linux mostly from a terminal or the 
>>>>>> console then you might want to consider Fenrir. I don't use it 
>>>>>> myself yet, but it's supposed to have some major advantages over 
>>>>>> Speakup. 
>>>>>> https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader 
>>>>>> <https://linux-a11y.org/index.php?page=fenrir-screenreader>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/4/19 5:41 PM, Ryan Mann via NFBCS wrote:
>>>>>>> The last time I checked out Vinux, it was way out of date 
>>>>>>> compared to the regular Ubuntu.  Is this still the case?  If so, 
>>>>>>> I would stay away from it and just set up Orca or Speakup on a 
>>>>>>> main stream Linux distribution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Humberto Avila via NFBCS 
>>>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Brian,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can actually down load a stand alone version of the Linux 
>>>>>>>> OS, with built-in accessibility and screen readers. It is 
>>>>>>>> called Vinux, which is Linux for the visually impaired. You can 
>>>>>>>> download it from http://vinuxproject.org/ 
>>>>>>>> <http://vinuxproject.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  From my experience, it is very accessible, and it has a lot of 
>>>>>>>> structural content and navigation just like using JAWS on 
>>>>>>>> Windows. It is a bit of a learning curve, though, because Orca 
>>>>>>>> uses a lot of different key mappings that windows users aren't 
>>>>>>>> used to. However, it is completely doable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been using it a little bit, running it under a virtual 
>>>>>>>> machine on Windows, which is a possibility if you just want to 
>>>>>>>> learn it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Orca uses the Insert key as the screen reader key for 
>>>>>>>> performing actions, just like JAWS and NVDA, so many of the 
>>>>>>>> things that you do may be familiar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully this helps a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Humberto
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [JAWS Certified, 
>>>>>>>> 2019]<http://www.freedomscientific.com/certification 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.freedomscientific.com/certification>>   [NVDA 
>>>>>>>> Certified Expert 2019] <http://certification.nvaccess.org 
>>>>>>>> <http://certification.nvaccess.org/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/4/2019 9:11 AM, Bryan Duarte via NFBCS wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey ya'll,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sure to some this is a ridiculous question but I need to 
>>>>>>>> ask any way. I have been using Linux for years but mostly 
>>>>>>>> through an SSH connection to a server instance on either AWS or 
>>>>>>>> a PI or designated server in my lab. My question is does any 
>>>>>>>> one have any feedback on using it stand alone with Orca or some 
>>>>>>>> other screen reader? If so plese share your experiences.
>>>>>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PhD Computer Science Research student
>>>>>>>> IGERT Fellow, CUbiC Lab, Arizona State University
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