[NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work

Brian Buhrow buhrow at nfbcal.org
Mon Aug 10 04:47:32 UTC 2020 

	hello.  My installation of Yasr and Eflite are running on NetBSD.  So,
I would expect them to run on FreeBSD or OpenBSD without too much effort.  I
don't know whether Mike has incorporated my changes back into the main tree
of Yasr.  They  do things like restart the synthesizer if it crashes
automatically.  There are some other changes I made that he probably hasn't
included since they were fixes for me to make Yasr behave more like
Flipper, an old old DOS screen reader.
-thanks
-Brian
On Aug 9, 10:47pm, "Littlefield, Tyler via NFBCS" wrote:
} Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work
} I haven't looked at espeakup in quite some time, I could attempt to get 
} it compiled on BSD, but could we just steal a chunk of that code and 
} specifying a backend?
} This would get around a lot of the speech-dispatcher/speech-up issues, 
} unless the latter is no longer used. I haven't needed speech-dispatcher 
} in at least 10 years, so there may have been changes since then.
} TL/DR: willing to help work on something cleaner if needed, although I 
} can only promise it would likely work on BSD and would need Linux testers.
} 
} 
} Thanks,
} 
} On 8/9/2020 10:17 PM, Mike Gorse via NFBCS wrote:
} > A few things:
} >
} > I haven't tested yasr or eflite on WSL so far, although it sounds like 
} > it should be on my list of things to do. (Does WSL require Windows 10 
} > these days, or does it still work on Windows 7? I've been considering 
} > replacing my old netbook that I use when I want to use Windows; just 
} > haven't been able to bring myself to spend the money to do it since I 
} > don't use Windows that often).
} >
} > Yasr.conf now assumes speech-dispatcher by default. To use eflite, 
} > you'll need to adjust the Synthesizer line (there should be a 
} > commented line for an emacspeak server) and set "Synthesizer port" to 
} > |/usr/local/bin/eflite (or wherever your eflite binary is). As an 
} > aside, the speech-dispatcher support has some bit rot that I haven't 
} > taken the time to fix (speech-dispatcher no longer uses a tcp 
} > connection by default).
} >
} > You can test whether eflite is working by running it and entering 
} > something like the following:
} > q {test}
} > d
} >
} > You should then hear "test". If you don't, then something isn't working.
} >
} > I've moved both yasr and eflite to github. I've made a few changes to 
} > eflite to try to fix some issues but haven't made a new release so far.
} > https://github.com/mgorse/yasr.git
} > https://github.com/mgorse/eflite.git
} >
} > Anyway, sorry that this isn't more helpful.
} >
} > -Mike
} >
} > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Brian Buhrow via NFBCS wrote:
} >
} >>     Hello.  Jim is right.  The first thing you want to do is make sure
} >> eflite/flite can give you audio from the Linux system.  Steps are 
} >> something
} >> like:
} >>
} >> 0.  Make sure you know how to get audio to play through your Windows
} >> computer that was generated on the Linux system you're running inside 
} >> it.
} >>
} >> 1.  Install flite.  When you can get it to read you the Alice test file,
} >> you're getting pretty close.
} >>
} >> 2.  Install eflite from Mike Gorse's Yasr repository.
} >>
} >> 3.  Install Yasr.
} >>
} >>     There used to be a bug in Flite where you couldn't get good speech
} >> interruptability due to some confusion about which ioctl's it used to
} >> manage the sound device.  I assume that problem is fixed, but if you 
} >> find,
} >> after you get it talking, that you can't make speech stop when you 
} >> ask it
} >> to, then let us know.  I have read mixed reviews of Pulse Audio.  
} >> There are
} >> times when it works great and does exactly what you want, which is 
} >> mostly
} >> get out of the way, but there are other times when it becomes a huge
} >> headache and needs to  be discarded.  I'm sure this depends on the
} >> configuration of the particular Linux distro you're using, as well as 
} >> what
} >> specific hardware you have.  All this is to say that the most important
} >> step, and probably the most difficult, is to figure out the working
} >> mechanics of your Linux system's  audio subsystem.  Once you get that
} >> working, you're 80% of the way there.
} >> -thanks
} >> -Brian
} >>
} >> On Aug 9,  4:07pm, Jim Barbour via NFBCS wrote:
} >> } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work
} >> } I managed to only read the first paragraph of your message before 
} >> replying.
} >> }
} >> } Brian Buhrow will be much better able to help with the remaining 
} >> questions.
} >> }
} >> } Sorry for being a bit tonedeaf here.
} >> }
} >> } Jim
} >> }
} >> } On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 02:44:40PM -0600, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS 
} >> wrote:
} >> } > So based on your feedback it seems like the best thing for me to 
} >> do is
} >> } > going to be to stick with windows and just use yasr inside the 
} >> windows
} >> } > subsystem for linux for my terminal work.
} >> } >
} >> } > I am having trouble getting yasr to work, I get a connection 
} >> refused error.
} >> } >
} >> } > I am wondering if i missed a dependency and if my configuration 
} >> is wrong.
} >> } > Could one of the yasr users on here share a sample config file 
} >> that works?
} >> } >
} >> } > From the man page it seems like i need to specify a synthesizer 
} >> and a port
} >> } > number.
} >> } >
} >> } > Which synthesizers work well with yasr? I have tried eflite but 
} >> it doesn???t
} >> } > seem to be working.
} >> } >
} >> } > I haven???t been able to find any documentation on which port to 
} >> specify
} >> } > either.
} >> } >
} >> } > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:47 AM Gabe Vega Commtech LLC via NFBCS <
} >> } > nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
} >> } >
} >> } > > does anyone still use nano?
} >> } > >
} >> } > > On 8/7/2020 5:45 PM, Chris Nestrud via NFBCS wrote:
} >> } > > > Brian,
} >> } > > >
} >> } > > > Thanks for the details. It sounds like cursor tracking may 
} >> not have been
} >> } > > > working in your case, and I agree that an editor would be 
} >> pretty much
} >> } > > > impossible to use in that situation. Once cursor tracking is 
} >> working
} >> } > > > properly, you can navigate by line or character in vim and 
} >> get correct
} >> } > > > feedback as the cursor moves. Routing
} >> } > > > JAWS cursor to PC cursor will work as you'd expect. For 
} >> determining
} >> } > > > row and column information, I either check the Secure CRT 
} >> status bar or
} >> } > > > use ctrl+g in vim (or the vim ruler). I almost never edit 
} >> files locally
} >> } > > > because using vim is faster and/or I'm using sudo to access a 
} >> different
} >> } > > > account where the files are located.
} >> } > > >
} >> } > > > As with Perl, there's more than one way to do it. Hopefully 
} >> we've all
} >> } > > > given everyone some alternatives to consider.
} >> } > > >
} >> } > > > Chris
} >> } > > >
} >> } > > > On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 01:50:07PM -0700, Brian Buhrow wrote:
} >> } > > >>      hello Chris.  I may be working from out of date 
} >> knowledge, but here
} >> } > > >> goes.
} >> } > > >> In my view, the largest impediment to using a Windows based 
} >> ssh client
} >> } > > from
} >> } > > >> either the GUI or the command line is that once you've got a 
} >> terminal
} >> } > > open,
} >> } > > >> it's very difficult to know where the cursor is and how the 
} >> screen is
} >> } > > laid
} >> } > > >> out.  Yes, you can type and here responses, but if you're 
} >> using a full
} >> } > > >> screen editor like vi/vim or a full screen browser like 
} >> lynx, it's very
} >> } > > >> difficult to know where your cursor is on the screen.  The 
} >> most common
} >> } > > >> problem I run into is if I'm in a Windows command line, and 
} >> I open up a
} >> } > > ssh
} >> } > > >> session and then, in that session, try to edit a file with 
} >> vi, it's very
} >> } > > >> hard for me to tell what the X Y coordinates of a given 
} >> character are
} >> } > > in my
} >> } > > >> edit window.  This makes it very challenging to write well 
} >> formatted
} >> } > > >> text or programs, i.e. C with proper indentation or Perl 
} >> with proper
} >> } > > >> indentation or, a real must, python with proper 
} >> indentation.  In my
} >> } > > native
} >> } > > >> linux/Unix/Yasr environment, this is not a problem.  I can 
} >> get the row
} >> } > > and
} >> } > > >> column information for every character on my screen at any 
} >> time.
} >> } > > >>      It may be that Secure-CRT solves this problem, as 
} >> you've suggested,
} >> } > > >> but I've not used that program.  I've used putty and 
} >> openssh, which
} >> } > > don't
} >> } > > >> provide that functionality with Jaws or NVDA as far as I'm 
} >> aware.  In
} >> } > > the
} >> } > > >> past I've asked VFO about this, and they don't seem to 
} >> understand the
} >> } > > >> problem.  Perhaps they do now, but I haven't asked for a 
} >> long time.
} >> } > > >>      If it's more efficient for you to copy files from Linux 
} >> and edit
} >> } > > them
} >> } > > >> on your Windows machine, then copy them back up to the Linux 
} >> machine
} >> } > > when
} >> } > > >> you're done, so be it.  In my view, this is highly 
} >> inefficient and
} >> } > > fraught
} >> } > > >> with a lot of different issues, not the least of which is that
} >> } > > Linux/Unix
} >> } > > >> use a different sequence of characters for representing new 
} >> lines in
} >> } > > files.
} >> } > > >> That can really trip you up when you're trying to edit 
} >> configuration
} >> } > > files
} >> } > > >> that are being read by programs that don't expect that 
} >> variability.
} >> } > > >>      Anyway, that,in a nut shell, is the most glaring issue 
} >> I'm aware
} >> } > > of.
} >> } > > >> -Brian
} >> } > > >> On Aug 7,  3:25pm, Chris Nestrud via NFBCS wrote:
} >> } > > >> } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux 
} >> terminal work
} >> } > > >> } Brian,
} >> } > > >> }
} >> } > > >> } Just trying to get more information. Can you give a couple 
} >> examples of
} >> } > > >> } how a Windows-based screen reader using a command-line ssh 
} >> client is
} >> } > > >> } inferior to a Linux-based screen reader using a 
} >> command-line ssh
} >> } > > client?
} >> } > > >> } I know that cursor tracking can be hard to get right in 
} >> some GUI
} >> } > > >> } Windows ssh clients, but it works well out of the box in 
} >> command-line
} >> } > > clients and in
} >> } > > >> } my experience it works quite well once properly configured 
} >> in GUI
} >> } > > >> } clients provided that the screen reader plays nicely. I'm 
} >> just trying
} >> } > > to
} >> } > > >> } figure out the advantage of a separate Linux machine or VM 
} >> given that
} >> } > > >> } it's a lot to set up just for an ssh client and the separate
} >> } > > environment
} >> } > > >> } will make things such as copy/paste between Windows and 
} >> Linux more
} >> } > > >> } difficult. For example I'll often copy the entire Secure 
} >> CRT buffer,
} >> } > > >> } paste it into notepad, remove unneeded text, and paste the 
} >> result in a
} >> } > > >> } Microsoft Teams message or email. What am I missing by not 
} >> using Linux
} >> } > > >> } to host my ssh client?
} >> } > > >> }
} >> } > > >> } Chris
} >> } > > >> }
} >> } > > >> } On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 12:48:57PM -0700, Brian Buhrow via 
} >> NFBCS
} >> } > > wrote:
} >> } > > >> } >  hello.   Another possibility is to install the Ubuntu 
} >> software on
} >> } > > >> } > Windows 10 and use Yasr on the Ubuntu windows and Jaws 
} >> or NVDA on
} >> } > > the browser
} >> } > > >> } > windows.  If you're using a command line terminal 
} >> environment,
} >> } > > Linux screen
} >> } > > >> } > readers are far better than any Windows based screen 
} >> readers and
} >> } > > will make
} >> } > > >> } > you  much much more efficient in that environment.  I 
} >> don't know
} >> } > > what Jira
} >> } > > >> } > is, but if there is a way to get at it with a browser 
} >> that's not
} >> } > > javascript
} >> } > > >> } > capable, then the Lynx browser works very well in terminal
} >> } > > environments and
} >> } > > >> } > wil give you full access.  The tmux program will allow 
} >> you to cut
} >> } > > and paste
} >> } > > >> } > from window to window inside your terminal environment.
} >> } > > Alternatively, if
} >> } > > >> } > there are command line tools that can access the Jira 
} >> data, you
} >> } > > might find
} >> } > > >> } > that is a better way to go.  Or, yet another way, is if 
} >> you're
} >> } > > handy with
} >> } > > >> } > scripting languages and curl, you may be able to write 
} >> yourself some
} >> } > > >> } > scripts that put the data where you need it using curl.
} >> } > > >> } >  I have not tried the Ubuntu under Windows environment 
} >> yet, so don't
} >> } > > >> } > know if you can cut and paste between the two 
} >> environments, but I'm
} >> } > > >> } > guessing you can, so that might be a sufficient solution 
} >> for your
} >> } > > needs.
} >> } > > >> } >  What you'll find is that if you teach yourself how 
} >> stuff works
} >> } > > under
} >> } > > >> } > the hood, there are often different ways to get a job 
} >> done and, by
} >> } > > learning
} >> } > > >> } > that stuff, you'll find you increase your value as an 
} >> employee.
} >> } > > >> } >
} >> } > > >> } > -thanks
} >> } > > >> } > -Brian
} >> } > > >> } >
} >> } > > >> } >
} >> } > > >> } > On Aug 7, 12:55pm, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
} >> } > > >> } > } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux 
} >> terminal work
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} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } I'd also need to be able to use web applications and 
} >> copy and
} >> } > > paste
} >> } > > >> } > } terminal output into JIRA; I'm concerned with how well 
} >> that would
} >> } > > work on a
} >> } > > >> } > } linux-only box. I haven't used a linux screen reader 
} >> before but I
} >> } > > have
} >> } > > >> } > } heard it's not the best experience.
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } Best regards,
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } Ryan Boudwin
} >> } > > >> } > } ryanboudwin at gmail.com
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brian Buhrow 
} >> <buhrow at nfbcal.org>
} >> } > > wrote:
} >> } > > >> } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } >         hello.  As a long time Unix person who uses 
} >> terminals
} >> } > > over ssh on a
} >> } > > >> } > } > daily basis with screen readers, I strongly 
} >> recommend you build
} >> } > > yourself a
} >> } > > >> } > } > Linux box and ssh to your remote sites from there.  
} >> Then, you
} >> } > > can either
} >> } > > >> } > } > use Speakup or Yasr as your screen reader.  I use 
} >> Yasr with the
} >> } > > >> } > } > eflite/flite
} >> } > > >> } > } > software speech engine.  This combination of 
} >> software will give
} >> } > > you full
} >> } > > >> } > } > access to screen oriented programs in terminal 
} >> environments.
} >> } > > While I think
} >> } > > >> } > } > things are changing a bit, terminal access using 
} >> Jaws, NVDA or
} >> } > > VoiceOver
} >> } > > >> } > } > is, in my experience, doable, but very very 
} >> suboptimal.  As
} >> } > > proof of that,
} >> } > > >> } > } > you'll  probably get a number of folks writing back 
} >> on this
} >> } > > question
} >> } > > >> } > } > suggesting that terminal access works fine using the 
} >> Windows
} >> } > > screen
} >> } > > >> } > } > readers, but that you'll find it easier to edit 
} >> files on the
} >> } > > local Windows
} >> } > > >> } > } > machine and then transfer them up using scp or some 
} >> other file
} >> } > > transfer
} >> } > > >> } > } > protocol once you're done. that is a very 
} >> inefficient way to
} >> } > > edit files on
} >> } > > >> } > } > remote servers.  The combination of software I 
} >> suggest lets me
} >> } > > edit files
} >> } > > >> } > } > with ease in their native environments on the 
} >> servers on which
} >> } > > they belong.
} >> } > > >> } > } >
} >> } > > >> } > } > Hope this helps.
} >> } > > >> } > } > -Brian
} >> } > > >> } > } >
} >> } > > >> } > } > On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:
} >> } > > >> } > } > } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux 
} >> terminal work
} >> } > > >> } > } > } Hey folks,
} >> } > > >> } > } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } > } I am considering a return to a technical individual
} >> } > > contributor role. The
} >> } > > >> } > } > } job requires a significant amount of terminal 
} >> work, over SSH
} >> } > > to remote
} >> } > > >> } > } > } linux servers.
} >> } > > >> } > } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } > } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the
} >> } > > best/easiest/most
} >> } > > >> } > } > } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or 
} >> Voiceover as
} >> } > > needed but I
} >> } > > >> } > } > } haven't done terminal work since my blindness hit.
} >> } > > >> } > } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } > } Best regards,
} >> } > > >> } > } > }
} >> } > > >> } > } > } Ryan Boudwin
} >> } > > >> } > } > } ryanboudwin at gmail.com
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} >> } > > >> } > } >
} >> } > > 
} >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/buhrow%40lothlorien.nfbcal.org
} >> } > > >> } > } > >-- End of excerpt from Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS
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} >> } > > >> } > } /flite<br>
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} >> } > > >> } > } think<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } things are changing a bit, terminal access using Jaws, 
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} >> } > > >> } > } on<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } suggesting that terminal access works fine using the 
} >> Windows
} >> } > > screen<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } readers, but that you'll find it easier to edit 
} >> files on the
} >> } > > local Wind=
} >> } > > >> } > } ows<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } machine and then transfer them up using scp or some 
} >> other file
} >> } > > transfer<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } protocol once you're done.=C2=A0 that is a very 
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} >> } > > way to edit=
} >> } > > >> } > }  files on<br>
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} >> suggest lets
} >> } > > me edit fi=
} >> } > > >> } > } les<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } with ease in their native environments on the servers 
} >> on which
} >> } > > they belong.=
} >> } > > >> } > } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } Hope this helps.<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } -Brian<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux 
} >> terminal
} >> } > > work<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } Hey folks,<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } I am considering a return to a technical individual 
} >> contributor
} >> } > > role. The=
} >> } > > >> } > } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } job requires a significant amount of terminal work, 
} >> over SSH to
} >> } > > remote<br=
} >> } > > >> } > } >
} >> } > > >> } > } } linux servers.<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the
} >> } > > best/easiest/most<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or 
} >> Voiceover as
} >> } > > needed but I=
} >> } > > >> } > } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } haven't done terminal work since my blindness 
} >> hit.<br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } <br>
} >> } > > >> } > } } Best regards,<br>
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