[NFBCS] 3270 emulation - success!

Thu Feb 13 18:46:46 UTC 2020

Hi Lloyd.
Can you suggest how I could figure out if that's happening, with Jaws not
able to see it?  Would someone looking at the screen be able to tell?
Tracy

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Could the program be going into ClearType mode? I thought I had heard that
some of those fonts cause problems for screen readers. Just a shot in the
dark.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Print Disabled
Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20542
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Hi Steve.
I did try looking around with the Jaws cursor in Hummingbird, but it didn't
help.
With Hummingbird/Host Explorer, things work OK until I start to edit a
dataset, then Jaws stops recognizing the cursor and says "no font".
It does that whether or not I have my scripts loaded.

I tried QWS3270, as a free trial, and it behaves OK when my scripts are not
loaded, except if I try to use a cursor routing key on my braille display.
If I use a cursor routing key, it does the "no font" thing.
I kinda need a script to make things more useable, but at least it mostly
works with the default Jaws scripts, which is a step in the right direction,
though not having cursor routing is a hassle.

I am discussing these things with Glen Gordon.
Maybe it's something as simple as hiring someone to update my very old
scripts, or getting new scripts, whatever works best.  
If my boss stops throwing stuff in my inbox so often, maybe I could look at
the scripts myself.  It's just programming.
Tracy

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Tracy,

First, I did not have the font issues you are having with QWS3270.
Especially if you are having the same issue of the font or cursor changing
when you type, I am really wondering if there is a system setting specific
to your computer.  I am assuming that you are not using Windows Magnifier in
any way, but perhaps it is worth making sure it didn't get turned on
somehow.  I also am wondering if there is a mouse pointer issue.  Did you
try typing something in Hummingbird and then seeing if you could read it
with the JAWS cursor?  I believe JAWS may well report no font when using the
PC cursor when it has lost track of the cursor because it doesn't know where
to look for the font.  Figuring out if you really have a "no font" issue or
a cursor tracking issue could make a difference.  If the problem with
QWS3270 is exactly the same as the Hummingbird problem and both involve
losing your cursor or font when you type, that really seems to me to point
to something in your system, but of cour  se I can't know that for sure.  I
also don't remember having to use the JAWS cursor to find out where to
change the QWS3270 cursor shape, but I don't have a way to check since I
used up my demo time.

In addition, I share your frustrations.  I work part time now and am
fortunate enough to have worked longer than I had expected.  Therefore, when
my Windows 7 work laptop reached its replacement date, I was very much put
out.  I didn't think I was ever going to have to set up a new laptop for
work again for one thing.  In addition, my employer changed which emulators
they supported as well.  My journey with my new work laptop was smoother
than yours is with Hummingbird, but it was not smooth.  In addition, there
are getting to be fewer and fewer people using 3270 emulation which is also
a contributing factor.  Therefore, it doesn't seem as though the products
for that purpose are updated as completely or even supported very well.
Also, the cheap program my employer adopted seemed to work find for
everybody else.  Nobody really cared that they couldn't change the blink
rate of the cursor, for example.  Some of the 3270 emulators such at
Attachmate and reflections have moved to more c  omplex work spaces that
have made accessibility difficult as well.  Jack's comment about Secure CRT
is interesting because a terminal emulator that mostly sticks to emulation
may have potential.  However, like you, I found it frustrating that I needed
to spend all of this time on trying to keep things working that nobody else
has to deal with.  It is a fact of life, unfortunately, and that's why I've
concentrated on possible solutions.
Still, please know I do understand your frustration as well as Kathy's.  I
suspect we will have an easier time pushing IBM for information and/or help
than some of the other companies, but of course even that takes time.

Best regards,

Steve

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Well, I did my happy dance a bit prematurely.  I did some more editing, and
this time Jaws did its "no font" thing.  So it's not happening every time,
but sometimes.  Closer, but still no cookie.
Tracy

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I got a demo copy of QWS3270, as Steve recommended, and, once I found how to
set the cursor, it worked perfectly!  Dancing for joy!  

I was able to edit a job, submit it, and review the results, all without any
problems.  I'll use it all day tomorrow, but so far it looks good.

Kathy, and anyone who wants to know, I was only able to get to the menus by
using the Jaws cursor and the Jaws mouse.  The cursor options are under
session layout.  I was not able to tab or arrow to cursor properties.  I
could only find it by looking with the Jaws cursor and using the Jaws mouse
to click it.  It stayed set when I closed the session, then opened a new
one.

Blinking and vertical bar are what's working for me.  The font is Courier
New.  Not sure of the size-I didn't find where to set it, but the default is
working OK.

Steve, thanks a million!  I am so relieved to have this working on my new
laptop with Windows 10.

I also wanted to say, even before I got this thing working, that having the
NFBCS here to help and encourage me has really made a difference in my life.
I've gotten some great advice, and I don't feel like I'm all alone,
splashing about in the swamp in the dark and hoping I don't get eaten by an
alligator.

Tracy

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