[NFBCS] 3270 emulation - success!

Sat Feb 15 02:21:08 UTC 2020

Tracy,

I will stop chiming in on this if you are working with Glen.  He has a lot of knowledge and certainly knows JAWS inside out.  I missed you were using a braille display, something I have not done much on my work computer with 3270 emulation and that you were still running old scripts.  I guess I should have thought to ask.

If there is anything you or Glen want me to try to determine if a problem can be duplicated, I am willing to do that.

Good luck.

Best regards,

Steve  

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Hi Steve.
I did try looking around with the Jaws cursor in Hummingbird, but it didn't help.
With Hummingbird/Host Explorer, things work OK until I start to edit a dataset, then Jaws stops recognizing the cursor and says "no font".
It does that whether or not I have my scripts loaded.

I tried QWS3270, as a free trial, and it behaves OK when my scripts are not loaded, except if I try to use a cursor routing key on my braille display.
If I use a cursor routing key, it does the "no font" thing.
I kinda need a script to make things more useable, but at least it mostly works with the default Jaws scripts, which is a step in the right direction, though not having cursor routing is a hassle.

I am discussing these things with Glen Gordon.
Maybe it's something as simple as hiring someone to update my very old scripts, or getting new scripts, whatever works best.  
If my boss stops throwing stuff in my inbox so often, maybe I could look at the scripts myself.  It's just programming.
Tracy

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Tracy,

First, I did not have the font issues you are having with QWS3270.
Especially if you are having the same issue of the font or cursor changing when you type, I am really wondering if there is a system setting specific to your computer.  I am assuming that you are not using Windows Magnifier in any way, but perhaps it is worth making sure it didn't get turned on somehow.  I also am wondering if there is a mouse pointer issue.  Did you try typing something in Hummingbird and then seeing if you could read it with the JAWS cursor?  I believe JAWS may well report no font when using the PC cursor when it has lost track of the cursor because it doesn't know where to look for the font.  Figuring out if you really have a "no font" issue or a cursor tracking issue could make a difference.  If the problem with
QWS3270 is exactly the same as the Hummingbird problem and both involve losing your cursor or font when you type, that really seems to me to point to something in your system, but of cour  se I can't know that for sure.  I also don't remember having to use the JAWS cursor to find out where to change the QWS3270 cursor shape, but I don't have a way to check since I used up my demo time.

In addition, I share your frustrations.  I work part time now and am fortunate enough to have worked longer than I had expected.  Therefore, when my Windows 7 work laptop reached its replacement date, I was very much put out.  I didn't think I was ever going to have to set up a new laptop for work again for one thing.  In addition, my employer changed which emulators they supported as well.  My journey with my new work laptop was smoother than yours is with Hummingbird, but it was not smooth.  In addition, there are getting to be fewer and fewer people using 3270 emulation which is also a contributing factor.  Therefore, it doesn't seem as though the products for that purpose are updated as completely or even supported very well.
Also, the cheap program my employer adopted seemed to work find for everybody else.  Nobody really cared that they couldn't change the blink rate of the cursor, for example.  Some of the 3270 emulators such at Attachmate and reflections have moved to more c  omplex work spaces that have made accessibility difficult as well.  Jack's comment about Secure CRT is interesting because a terminal emulator that mostly sticks to emulation may have potential.  However, like you, I found it frustrating that I needed to spend all of this time on trying to keep things working that nobody else has to deal with.  It is a fact of life, unfortunately, and that's why I've concentrated on possible solutions.
Still, please know I do understand your frustration as well as Kathy's.  I suspect we will have an easier time pushing IBM for information and/or help than some of the other companies, but of course even that takes time.

Best regards,

Steve

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Well, I did my happy dance a bit prematurely.  I did some more editing, and this time Jaws did its "no font" thing.  So it's not happening every time, but sometimes.  Closer, but still no cookie.
Tracy

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Subject: [NFBCS] 3270 emulation - success!

I got a demo copy of QWS3270, as Steve recommended, and, once I found how to set the cursor, it worked perfectly!  Dancing for joy!  

I was able to edit a job, submit it, and review the results, all without any problems.  I'll use it all day tomorrow, but so far it looks good.

Kathy, and anyone who wants to know, I was only able to get to the menus by using the Jaws cursor and the Jaws mouse.  The cursor options are under session layout.  I was not able to tab or arrow to cursor properties.  I could only find it by looking with the Jaws cursor and using the Jaws mouse to click it.  It stayed set when I closed the session, then opened a new one.

Blinking and vertical bar are what's working for me.  The font is Courier New.  Not sure of the size-I didn't find where to set it, but the default is working OK.

Steve, thanks a million!  I am so relieved to have this working on my new laptop with Windows 10.

I also wanted to say, even before I got this thing working, that having the NFBCS here to help and encourage me has really made a difference in my life.
I've gotten some great advice, and I don't feel like I'm all alone, splashing about in the swamp in the dark and hoping I don't get eaten by an alligator.

Tracy

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