[NFBCS] Command Line Editors

Wed Jan 1 23:49:25 UTC 2020

	Hahaha.
	Regarding Emacs, if you are used to the commands used for copy, cut,
paste, etc. on Windows and Mac, they are very different in Emacs.
	I use SSHFS at work to access files on my Linux box on my Windows
laptop. It mounts it as a drive. You have to have the exact name of the
computer that you are mounting, including it's location.

-----Original Message-----
From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack Heim via
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Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 3:23 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
Cc: Jack Heim
Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Command Line Editors

Oh man, I could write a whole book here. There are 3 basic approaches 
you could use:

1. Ssh to the linux server and use a text editor on the linux machine. 
Examples of this would be emacs and vi.

2. Use a text editor on the Windows or Macintosh and somehow copy and/or 
save the file on the linux server.

3. Get a linux desktop, edit the files on the linux machine and use 
sshfs to save the files.

If you intend to be a linux systems administrator some day, I highly 
recommend option 3. If you have only a couple of weeks before the 
semester starts, it might not be practical. But get yourself some old 
computer somebody is willing to give you to avoid having to pay the 
recycling fee. Linux will run on anything. I recommend starting with 
debian linux. If you need help with that, let me know. I work for the 
University Of Wisconsin and helping a blind student would be well within 
my job description, even if you are at a different school.

Option 2 is going to be the next most desirable. To use Windows, you 
will need a text editor that can save a file with linux line 
terminators. I also recommend you acquire an sshfs client. When I used 
Windows, I used a commercial product called ExpanDrive. But I have heard 
/SSHFS/-Win works well. An sshfs client allows you to map a network 
drive on any machine running ssh. So you won't have to fiddle around 
with copying files back and forth. If you use a Mac, you may be able to 
do your development on the Mac and copy the code to the linux machine 
only after you know it already works. It depends on exactly what you are 
writing.

I really do not think option 1 is realistic for a beginner. I know there 
exist blind system administrators who use vi or emacs via ssh but I 
don't think that is a productive approach even for an experienced 
programmer.

Hey, if you want to talk to me, let me know. I can give you my office 
phone number or we can skype or facetime.

On 1/1/20 2:45 PM, Haoran Wen via NFBCS wrote:
> Sorry for not being specific on my original email.
> I have a mac and windows pc and will SSH into the linux machines remotely.
> So I can use voiceover with the terminal applicaiton on macs and am
> planning on using windows subsytem for linus on my PC.
>
> I have not used NVDA before but will try it out to see if that works
better
> than JAWS.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help.
> Haoran
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 2:25 PM Nicole Torcolini via NFBCS
<nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> What screen reader? Any chance that you could mount the remote file
system
>> to Windows and use a Windows program?
>>          From my experience, JAWS does not work well with commandline. It
>> often reads the wrong character/line, and most of the JAWS navigation
>> commands, especially navigate by word, do not work--you end up writing
some
>> weird character. I have also found that I have to use a Braille display
to
>> really know what I am doing.
>>          I do not know if NVDA works any better.
>>          Oh, and make sure that you use headphones when typing passwords
as
>> JAWS speaks passwords characters in the commandline, even though they are
>> not shown on the screen.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFBCS [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jack Heim via
>> NFBCS
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2020 9:32 AM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>> Cc: Jack Heim
>> Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Command Line Editors
>>
>> Systems programming for which system?  I am going to guess linux. If so,
>> I do all my systems programming in gedit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/31/19 9:21 PM, Haoran Wen via NFBCS wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I will be taking a system programming course next semester and will be
>>> working in the command line a lot. So I am wondering are there any
>>> recommendations for command line editors that works well with screen
>>> readers?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Haoran
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