[NFBCS] Weird JAWS Problem on Windows 10 with Text Editor

Tue Sep 1 18:38:15 UTC 2020

	Okay, so I reinstalled JAWS, including the Braille display drivers.
I also disabled the second display driver, which was NVIDIA--the remaining
one is intel. Finally, I updated to the latest TexNicCenter. Even though the
laptop that works is running the older version, I figured that
troubleshooting would be easier with the most recent version.
	I have the latest version of JAWS.
	Oh, and I tried turning off anything that might be putting some
other window over the TexNicCenter window.
	Currently, the letters are presented on the Braille display, and the
cursor routing buttons work, but JAWS does not speak the letters when
navigating by character, and I have to refresh the screen when I move to
another line.
	Per the output when pressing ALT delete, the first time says
PC Cursor 0, 0
And the second time says
FSDom edit2 cursor 0, 0
	Does that mean anything?
	Finally, I discovered that the Focus 80 does work with NVDA, so I
can use that for now. Also, I have the laptop that does work with
TexNicCenter, but it is reeeeeaaaaaalllllly slow, even though it has 16 GB
of RAM. Anyone have suggestions for speeding up a slow Windows 10 machine?

Nicole

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Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Weird JAWS Problem on Windows 10 with Text Editor

Hi, Nicole,

I just installed TeXnicCenter and am delighted to find that it uses
Scintilla as it's editing component. This is the same component used by
Notepad++ and for which we added custom JAWS support  late in the 2019
release cycle. I think with the June or July update. With that and on later
versions, the OSM and display drivers aren't involved, JAWS goes directly to
Scintilla to get the text.
Assuming that you're running at least the last update of JAWS 2019 or
something newer on a machine that fails and one that works, if you go into
the editor and press Alt+Delete twice in rapid succession,  do you hear
something about FSDomEdit cursor in both cases?

Thanks

--Glen

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Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
Subject: Re: [NFBCS] Weird JAWS Problem on Windows 10 with Text Editor

I wonder if the EdSharp problem is caused by it trying to change the line
endings between LF and CRLF. There may be a setting for that; I haven't used
that editor though.

Regarding the problems reading the TeX editor: When the JAWS cursor finds no
text, this usually means that either the video driver is not installed or is
having problems, the legacy accessibility driver is turned off and the
newer technology does not work with this application, or the off-screen
model (OSM) is empty or incomplete for some other, usually transitory
reason. The first two of those cases should be easy enough to diagnose, but
the
last is not so simple and is probably what you're dealing with given that
your results were inconsistent across multiple JAWS installs.

A few suggestions:

1. Make sure nothing is opening over the top of your editor, such as an
always-on-top dialog, system tray alert, security popup, etc. The Insert+F10
JAWS Task List may be useful here.

2. Use Windows+M to minimize all apps to the desktop, then see if the JAWS
cursor finds any text at all. If not, your OSM is probably not going to work
on this machine. As I said though, the result of this sort of test may
not be consistent from one try to the next.

3. See if maximizing the editor window helps.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:28:53PM -0700, NFBCS mailing list wrote:
            I sometimes use a text editor called TeXnicCenter. It is made
for editing LaTeX, but I find it useful for other tasks. I have it installed
on multiple Windows 10 machines, all 64 bit, but JAWS only works with it on
one. On the other machines, JAWS will read the menus, etc., but it does not
recognize the main edit window as editable. If I select what I have written,
JAWS will read the selection, and the content is sometimes displayed on the
Braille display. This seems to be a problem in general with some part of the
display or something because I have noticed problems in other applications,
such as the JAWS cursor not reading anything. On the one laptop for which
JAWS does work, I had to uninstall and reinstall JAWS several times before
it worked properly. I tried that once on the other machines, but it did not
help, and I don't have time to keep trying something that is not helping.
Does anyone have any idea what is going on? If not, does anyone have
recommendations for other text editors? I tried EdSharp, but, when I run a
code diff with the revision software, it seems that EdSharp has modified the
entire file instead of just the lines that I changed. Also, I tried using
NVDA with TeXnicCenter, but NVDA does not work with the Focus 80.

Nicole and my misbehaving technology

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